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Yes, this thread has helped me understand thee Left a little. But I still wonder what's meant by Left Leaning?

Even though I identify myself as conservative I have now, and always had, some very liberal pov. But I don't agree with what I know to be the Left. One difference between them & me is I'm not trying to push my liberal ideas on anyone, much less force them.

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23 hours ago, JTC said:

I'm asking a serious question here. Until this year I never even thought about The Left then the virus happened and now violence. I hear talk of the Left but who would they be?  Obviously they are fanatics, possibly even crazy people. But I also consider the Nazis of WW2 to be crazy fanatics.

Let me hear what some of you have to say.

The Christian left or the secular left?

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40 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The Christian left or the secular left?

I'm not sure. The people who want to destroy freedom and the free way of life we value so highly here. It includes those who foolishly think you can have a society without Policeman. Without police, chaos and crime will rule and everything I've ever known will end. I suppose I mean both, Christian & Secular Leftists.

(I had no idea this was such a loaded question)

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1 hour ago, JTC said:

Yes, this thread has helped me understand thee Left a little. But I still wonder what's meant by Left Leaning?

Even though I identify myself as conservative I have now, and always had, some very liberal pov. But I don't agree with what I know to be the Left. One difference between them & me is I'm not trying to push my liberal ideas on anyone, much less force them.

I used to be a right wing libertarian. Libertarianism is sometimes described as "socially left, fiscally right". For instance, a libertarian would support the legalization of things like gay marriage, regardless of whether or not they personally approve of it. I was libertarian, socially left, for years--now I am also fiscally left, meaning I tend to agree more with the economics and fiscal decisions of the left than I do of the right.

 

I had something else to add, but my brother just threw something at me and made me lose whatever I had been typing and now I've forgotten what my addition was going to be.

 

Edit: now I remember

So, I learned that I'm left leaning from taking a well done political test. It said that I'm a centrist, but that my ideas lean a bit more to the left than they do to the right. Basically, I agree a little bit more with the left than I do with the right, though I still have ties in that direction.

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On 7/29/2020 at 3:23 PM, JTC said:

I'm asking a serious question here. Until this year I never even thought about The Left then the virus happened and now violence. I hear talk of the Left but who would they be?  Obviously they are fanatics, possibly even crazy people. But I also consider the Nazis of WW2 to be crazy fanatics.

Let me hear what some of you have to say.

If we think about it, each party, the Democrats (left) and the Republicans (right) have their "platform".  These are basic tenants and policies they support.  
 

How is it that people line up totally on one side or another? For instance, I hate abortion. In this area, I am leaning right. I also hate to see immigrant families ripped apart, locked up, simply because they want a better life for their families. Christian compassion overrides everything there for me. Thus, on this area, I lean left. 

To vilify any who do not accept all the tenants  of their party of choice to me is simply short sighted and seems, well.... lazy. Most do not vote for the man and his character means little. What matters to most to these is.... are they Democrats or Republicans? Sad but true.

I do not want to seem critical of you, brother,  It is just that the  thought of labeling all left leaning people as 'obviously fanatic' is just as prejudiced as people who hate others simply because of their race. And those on the left could retaliate with their belief that all right leaning people are against the poor and worship money. Satan has divided us into "camps" and the hatred is flowing. Let us flee all of it.  We are better than that. If Jesus were here, would he be joining one or the other?  I suspect he would be fashioning a whip and turning over the tables of money changers, lol.

As believers, we are told we are not citizens of this world, but rather simply passers-through. I believe we must be very careful as to joining in the hate fest, no matter which side we may  find ourselves on. Our job is to love everyone, even if we disagree with their actions or their platform. 

This is but the beginning. At some point, no matter which side we may be touting, the day will come where those we have aligned with will  come for us. We will finally see that the forces ruling this world are ALL against the kingdom of God. Now is the time we need to put into practice being wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. 

blessings, 

Gideon

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5 hours ago, JTC said:

I'm not sure. The people who want to destroy freedom and the free way of life we value so highly here. It includes those who foolishly think you can have a society without Policeman. Without police, chaos and crime will rule and everything I've ever known will end. I suppose I mean both, Christian & Secular Leftists.

(I had no idea this was such a loaded question)

Our world is getting darker and darker. I can not see it getting any better until Jesus Christ comes back.

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I consider the left to be people that share the following believes.

 

They believe in social justice and put it over individual justice

They believe in a strong government.

They believe in market regulations

They believe in the redistribution of resources.

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The left around these parts just hate conservatives, hate America, hate religion, hate police and hate the rich. If you disagree with them you are labeled racist. If you fly an American flag you are racist. They wear puffy coats and drive subarus. They have an elitists attitude. They hate free speech, they hate the fact that you can buy a gun to defend yourself. They literally think socialism is the only way to an equal utopia. They come to our town and protest and call everyone names like nazi and racist. 

I am not sure what happened to America. I think it is the indoctrination from liberal teachers pushing leftists opinions. Pumping socialist ideals into the soft heads of our youth. They were taught to hate the most free country in the world and they do.

If you read the comment section of the local news it is just full of the thoughts of the left. How the intelligent youth will reign in power soon and will remove the old and their racist ways. It’s just insane. I think a civil war is inevitable unless something changes soon. 

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2 hours ago, FluffyBunny. said:

I consider the left to be people that share the following believes.

 

They believe in social justice and put it over individual justice

They believe in a strong government.

They believe in market regulations

They believe in the redistribution of resources.

I agree this is a good start for the left’s view point. 
Unfortunately, from a conservative’s point of view a strong economy is the best way to provide good paying jobs and create high wages. Yes, some regulations are needed, but the left wants the government to "run it all".  As such, per your points above, here is my concerns:

1. It removes personal responsibility 

2. A strong government leads to more corruption, small the better

3. Regulations get out of hand putting a wet blanket on the economy. A weak economy means lower wages for the poor and middle class and fewer jobs. 
4. Redistribution removes the incentives of the successful to create jobs and new products since their efforts will be taken away by the government, therefore, another wet blanket on the economy.

 

I am not wanting to start an argument by any means, but have a good intellectual discussion from my view point that is different than yours. 
 

 

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On 7/30/2020 at 12:55 PM, JTC said:

I'm not sure. The people who want to destroy freedom and the free way of life we value so highly here. It includes those who foolishly think you can have a society without Policeman. Without police, chaos and crime will rule and everything I've ever known will end. I suppose I mean both, Christian & Secular Leftists.

(I had no idea this was such a loaded question)

When you frame  something in such a way (ie. The people who want to destroy freedom and the free way of life we value so highly here) then I can't imagine why you would think this is not a loaded question. I don't see any regular person on the left leaning side of the political spectrum advocating for this. It is about the means to achieve a more equitable and thriving society. 

Freedom always has its limits because otherwise it is anarchy.

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