The Right To A Fair Trial On Judgment Day

[Michael37]

With regard to our salvation all of us have the right to a fair trial on Judgment Day.

The benefits of pardon, righteousness, grace and glory are demanded by Christ as the Advocate for those He has redeemed by the shedding of His blood and His sacrificial death.

The charges and accusations of Satan the Adversary against the Redeemed of God with regard to their unworthiness for salvation are dismissed. 

 The "old man of sin" as Paul called it, may be called by the Adversary as evidence of a persons unworthiness for salvation, but if this has been "put off" so as to no longer be alive or functioning unrestrained, then this so-called evidence cannot be used against any of the Redeemed who have put on the "new man in Christ."

If God has sovereignly predetermined who will come to faith in Him by hearing His Word, is it possible for those whom He hasn't chosen to come to faith by hearing His Word to get a fair trial on Judgment Day? 

[Michael37]

@GloryToGod! & adherents to Reformed Doctrine, this has been a subject of interest to me for many years now since coming across something of a fan base for Judas Iscariot who was being exalted as a hero on the basis that he had no choice but to betray Jesus, having been predestined by God to do so.

What do you say?

[Who me]

On 8/6/2020 at 5:48 AM, Michael37 said:

all of us have the right to a fair trial on Judgment Day

No thank you.

                  A fair trial of my behaviour, have you any idea what you are talking about?

Read again what the summary of the ten commandments says or the command issued by God in Matt 5:48 and think when have you ever obeyed these commands?

Think again you want a fair trial of your failure to keep these commands?

 

We are saved because Jesus took our place.

 

Don get me wrong God is perfectly Just and the trial everyone will face will be fair, but no Christian will get what they deserve.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

No thank you.

                  A fair trial of my behaviour, have you any idea what you are talking about?

Read again what the summary of the ten commandments says or the command issued by God in Matt 5:48 and think when have you ever obeyed these commands?

Think again you want a fair trial of your failure to keep these commands?

 

We are saved because Jesus took our place.

 

Don get me wrong God is perfectly Just and the trial everyone will face will be fair, but no Christian will get what they deserve.

Thanks for your comment, Who me. You are absolutely right in respect of our own merits, and I appreciate your perspective.

However I did qualify the fairness of the trial to be in regard to our salvation, and this puts the spotlight on what Christ has done in purchasing a full pardon from the penalty and punishment for the sins of the world. There is now a legal obligation for the Judge to recognise the innocence of the accused and dismiss the charges. 

My issue is not with your perspective, which is very true and humbling, but with the Calvinistic Reformed Doctrine which maintains "that from all eternity God has intended to leave some of Adam’s posterity in their sins, and that the decisive factor in the life of each is to be found only in God’s will." [ Loraine Boettner, The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination (Eerdmans, 1932):]

If this is the case, as some believe, how fair is the condemnation of those who must then be born with no choice but to be reprobates? 

[Who me]

20 hours ago, Michael37 said:

that from all eternity God has intended to leave some of Adam’s posterity in their sins, and that the decisive factor in the life of each is to be found only in God’s will.

 

You cannot have it both ways, if some people are predestined for salvation it follows that some are also predestined for hell.

 

It is not a question about God's justice in trying people but a question of what theological position one takes re predestination or man's free choice.

[Michael37]

9 hours ago, Who me said:

You cannot have it both ways, if some people are predestined for salvation it follows that some are also predestined for hell.

It is not a question about God's justice in trying people but a question of what theological position one takes re predestination or man's free choice.

Yes, as you can imagine, I have fun with Calvinists regarding the different theological position phenomenon. If predestination is the cause of everything, and I regard God's foreknowledge of a person's willingness to be led to repentance by His goodness as the reason for His predestining them to be conformed to the image of Christ, then why should this upset a 5 point TULIP Calvinist, since by their reasoning I'm predestined to believe whatever I believe? 

[Michael37]

On 8/8/2020 at 10:35 AM, Michael37 said:

the Calvinistic Reformed Doctrine which maintains "that from all eternity God has intended to leave some of Adam’s posterity in their sins, and that the decisive factor in the life of each is to be found only in God’s will." [ Loraine Boettner, The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination (Eerdmans, 1932):]

Is this fair?

[other one]

On 8/7/2020 at 2:31 PM, Who me said:

No thank you.

                  A fair trial of my behaviour, have you any idea what you are talking about?

Read again what the summary of the ten commandments says or the command issued by God in Matt 5:48 and think when have you ever obeyed these commands?

Think again you want a fair trial of your failure to keep these commands?

 

We are saved because Jesus took our place.

 

Don get me wrong God is perfectly Just and the trial everyone will face will be fair, but no Christian will get what they deserve.

Interestingly, in Matthew chapter 25 where Jesus is dividing the people, his reason for sending people to hell there was not from the ten commandments, but his second.    And those that were declared to go be with him for eternity were those that did follow his second command..

[B-B]

On 8/9/2020 at 6:10 AM, Michael37 said:

Yes, as you can imagine, I have fun with Calvinists

Hey @Michael37😊

By making this statement, would it be fair to say that your beliefs don't align with John Calvin's beliefs?

(If not, are you willing to divulge what your beliefs are?)

Edited January 3, 2022 by B-B

[other one]

3 minutes ago, B-B said:

Hey @Michael37😊

By making this statement, would it be fair to say that your beliefs don't align with John Calvin's beliefs?

If you believe what Calvin preached you turn the Father into Allah.