Tongues?

[Duck]

7 hours ago, Paul James said:

People in glasshouses shouldn't be throwing stones.  Have a good look at your own church to make sure that there are no hidden occult stuff going on there.

There is! Pagans everywhere. Can you spot them? 

Weren't we all pagans?

[Paul James]

7 minutes ago, Duck said:

There is! Pagans everywhere. Can you spot them? 

Weren't we all pagans?

Trouble is that we can't spot who his genuine and who isn't just by appearances.  This is because genuineness and hypocrisy abide in the heart which only God can see.   This is the principle behind the parable of the wheat and tares.  Hypocrites and genuine believers are identical in their outward conduct, Biblical knowledge, ability to talk the jargon, even to walk the talk.  They can be spotlessly moral and appear very passionate in their religion.  We won't know who is genuine or hypocritical until the judgment when the secrets of men's hearts are made manifest.

[Duck]

3 hours ago, Paul James said:

Trouble is that we can't spot who his genuine and who isn't just by appearances.  This is because genuineness and hypocrisy abide in the heart which only God can see.   This is the principle behind the parable of the wheat and tares.  Hypocrites and genuine believers are identical in their outward conduct, Biblical knowledge, ability to talk the jargon, even to walk the talk.  They can be spotlessly moral and appear very passionate in their religion.  We won't know who is genuine or hypocritical until the judgment when the secrets of men's hearts are made manifest.

I’ve been searching and praying for a ‘real’ Christian friend for years. Think I’ve found one, finally :) (but I’ve been deceived before, so nothing surprises me)

[Paul James]

8 hours ago, Duck said:

I’ve been searching and praying for a ‘real’ Christian friend for years. Think I’ve found one, finally (but I’ve been deceived before, so nothing surprises me)

It is interesting what Paul said about himself:

"Now it is required of stewards that they be found faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me" (1 Corinthians 4:2-4).

This is a good way to be - to serve the Lord the best we know how according to what we have learned from the Scriptures, and to ensure that we keep short accounts with God and keep our hearts right with Him.

When Paul was a Pharisee, he sincerely believed that Christians were rebellious law-breakers.  He viewed his persecution of Christians as doing God's work according to what he knew of the Scriptures and from the guidance of his mentors.  It took a personal appearance of Jesus to totally change him and to set his heart in the right direction.

Many hypocrites sincerely believe they are on the right path, and by all appearances, they looks as though they are genuine believers.   This is why we must give everyone the benefit of the doubt and allow the judgment to come from the Lord Himself.   Sometimes, hypocrites are exposed in this life, but many are never revealed for who they are until the judgment.

That is why Paul's advice in 1 Corinthians is sound and good to follow.

[Duck]

11 hours ago, Paul James said:

It is interesting what Paul said about himself:

"Now it is required of stewards that they be found faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me" (1 Corinthians 4:2-4).

This is a good way to be - to serve the Lord the best we know how according to what we have learned from the Scriptures, and to ensure that we keep short accounts with God and keep our hearts right with Him.

When Paul was a Pharisee, he sincerely believed that Christians were rebellious law-breakers.  He viewed his persecution of Christians as doing God's work according to what he knew of the Scriptures and from the guidance of his mentors.  It took a personal appearance of Jesus to totally change him and to set his heart in the right direction.

Many hypocrites sincerely believe they are on the right path, and by all appearances, they looks as though they are genuine believers.   This is why we must give everyone the benefit of the doubt and allow the judgment to come from the Lord Himself.   Sometimes, hypocrites are exposed in this life, but many are never revealed for who they are until the judgment.

That is why Paul's advice in 1 Corinthians is sound and good to follow.

Jesus’ brothers needed to meet The risen Jesus to be transformed too.

pauls reaction to the fortune teller following them?

Peter’s reaction to Simon the sorcerer?

Jesus didn’t say ‘be not deceived’ for nothing :)

good works? morality?...Filthy rags?

:)

numbers 6:24-26

[Paul James]

11 hours ago, Duck said:

Jesus’ brothers needed to meet The risen Jesus to be transformed too.

pauls reaction to the fortune teller following them?

Peter’s reaction to Simon the sorcerer?

Jesus didn’t say ‘be not deceived’ for nothing

good works? morality?...Filthy rags?

numbers 6:24-26

All this is well and good, but what has it to do with the gift of tongues?

[Duck]

12 hours ago, Paul James said:

All this is well and good, but what has it to do with the gift of tongues?

Ditto

[SwordMaster]

Justin said...

 

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Catholics have over the years tried to debunk Irenaeus’ claim in in Against Heresies Book 2 Chapter 22 that Jesus lived to be about 50 years old. Why? Because Irenaeus invoked both Scripture and extra-biblical tradition to prove that Jesus “ was an old man for old men, that He might be a perfect Master for all, not merely as respects the setting forth of the truth, but also as regards age.” Obviously, this false teaching on Irenaeus’ part shows that, even as early as the second century, traditions can be made-up and staunch defenders of the Church are not superintended by the Spirit in which they can avoid botching Biblical interpretations.

And, if this can happen as early as the second century with a saint, what guarantee do we have that well meaning men have not erred when relaying traditions such as the bodily assumption of Mary (first written in the 6th) or the interpretation of Petrine Primacy in Matt 16:18 (4th Century, excluding Tertullian)?

 

 

Granted, and I agree, we must be careful. However, I wasn't so much addressing "traditions" than I was the truth of Scripture.

Blessings!

[Waggles]

26  What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 
27  If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 
28  But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 
29  Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 

1Corinthians 14:

Here is God's direct instructions on how to conduct orderly worship as a Spirit-filled church of believers.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Waggles
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[Paul James]

On 11/24/2020 at 11:12 AM, enoob57 said:

After I was born from above I realized I did not need sensual proof ... God's Word was sufficient in all areas of Spirit filled walk....

the Jewish Pharisees prided themselves as being the experts in the Scriptures and the Law, and yet they missed their Messiah when He appeared.   Also, what sort of a mechanic would a guy be if he said, "The instruction manual is sufficient in all areas of motor vehicle repair", but didn't use the tools provided to actually repair the vehicle?   The tools provided by the Holy Spirit in the form of the 9 gifts are for the strengthening and building up of the body of Christ.   But I guess if one is concerned only for his own personal walk and doesn't have any care about building up his fellow believers in the body of Christ, then the tools (gifts) of the Spirit would be of no use to him.