Don19 Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Peterlag said: I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. Incorrect. Believers do have a sin nature. Concerning walking in the Spirit, that is serving God with a clean conscience that is through the blood of Christ, which frees us from the condemnation of our sin (not its presence). That's walking in the Spirit - not divine a enabling to keep the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speks Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 145 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Peterlag said: This spirit is indeed a life form... Unfortunately, this is false teaching. What should we do? There is often a fine line between debating error and sensibly stepping away to insulate ourselves from it. It's true we must hold firmly to the trustworthy word as it has been taught, so that we can accurately instruct others in sound teaching and refute those who oppose and persistently contradict it. There are many stubborn, headstrong personalities who are full of meaningless talk and unwholesome theories. But at what point should we firmly close the door, and in so doing keep ourselves grounded in pure, sound doctrine? https://handtotheploughblog.wordpress.com/no-room-for-bad-teaching/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,043 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 311 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Don19 said: Incorrect. Believers do have a sin nature. Concerning walking in the Spirit, that is serving God with a clean conscience that is through the blood of Christ, which frees us from the condemnation of our sin (not its presence). That's walking in the Spirit - not divine a enabling to keep the law. It's not a divine enabling to keep the law, it is a divine enabling to follow Christ. "according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost which He shed on us abundantly through Christ our Lord." Titus 3:5-6 "And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts" Galatians 5:24 And in being such, we are still not perfectly following the whole Torah, but by grace we stand confident before God, in adhering to the simple teachings of Christ and the apostles. Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, David1701 said: The strong man of the house refers to the devil, not us. Jesus referred to Peter as "Satan" (which means "adversary") because Peter said something contrary to what the Lord came to do (go to the cross). This does not mean that Peter had the nature of Satan! We WERE, by nature, children of wrath; but not any more (if you are born again). The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, so he certainly does not have faith in the Lord, as the disciples had. Of course they had the nature of Satan. Jesus called His disciples evil. Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? As for the things of the Spirit of God, which the natural man cannot receive or know, here Paul is talking about the testimony or sealing of the Spirit, which was only available after Pentecost. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. The things of the Spirit are "the things that are freely given to us of God" - i.e., salvation through the blood of Christ. This is given by the Spirit that we might know it - that is, that we would have personal assurance of salvation. And if you go up to verse 8, you'll see the princes of the world did not know these things - because if they had, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. But they already knew Jesus was the Christ, just as His yet-unregenerate disciples knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: It's not a divine enabling to keep the law, it is a divine enabling to follow Christ. Wrong. The "law" in not limited to the Law of Moses. It's any commandment whatsoever, which we can only ever fall short in obeying perfectly. God's standard is perfection, just so you know. Romans 2:14-15: 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Pay close attention also to what Paul says in Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. I don't know how it could any plainer. There is no law that was ever given, or which could possibly be given, that could give life. Not the commandments of Christ to love God with all our hearts and love our neighbor as ourselves. No - while that's certainly a rule for living, righteousness absolutely does NOT come by observing it, because no one ever does it perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,043 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 311 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Don19 said: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. Righteousness is actually given to us by God, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness and self control. And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. For if you live after the flesh you shall die but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the flesh you shall live For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Do we make void the law through faith? Certainly not, we establish the law. For all the law is fulfilled in one word even this: love your neighbor as yourself. Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: Righteousness is actually given to us by God, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It's God's righteousness, not man's. Rom 10:3 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness and self control. The effect of the Spirit on the life of a believer, especially when walking in the Spirit, is to increase these qualities and to decrease the lusts of the flesh. In other words, the Bible teaches that having eternal security does not make us want to sin more, but less. But there are many who try to cultivate these qualities in themselves apart from the Spirit of God - that is, by the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,043 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 311 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Don19 said: The effect of the Spirit on the life of a believer, especially when walking in the Spirit, is to increase these qualities and to decrease the lusts of the flesh. In other words, the Bible teaches that having eternal security does not make us want to sin more, but less. "And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts" Galatians 5:24 It is a process based on a personal relationship with Christ, but it happens in the life of every sincere believer, by the power of the Holy Spirit. "have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" Instead they want to follow the letter/ritual of the law outwardly and think that that is it: Isaiah 58:5-10. But.. He is not a Jew which is one outwardly... circumcision is that of the heart. The righteousness of God spoken from the beginning: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart... Love ye therefore the stranger" Deuteronomy 10:16,19. Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam The righteousness of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: "And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts" Galatians 5:24 It is a process based on a personal relationship with Christ, but it happens in the life of every sincere believe, by the power of the Holy Spirit. A believer is to walk in Christ just as he received Him (Col 2:6). That is, the Holy Spirit baptizes/immerses each believer into the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13), imparting full assurance of salvation at the point of conversion, and it is in this that we walk with Christ, kill sin, etc. Our relationship with Christ in the Spirit is based on our security in Him, not on our own efforts (i.e., the efforts of the flesh - whether purportedly done by the power of the Spirit or not) to earn or keep or prove our own salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted September 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,043 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 311 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Don19 said: A believer is to walk in Christ just as he received Him (Col 2:6). That is, the Holy Spirit baptizes/immerses each believer into the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13), imparting full assurance of salvation at the point of conversion, and it is in this that we walk with Christ, kill sin, etc. Our relationship with Christ in the Spirit is based on our security in Him, not on our own efforts (i.e., the efforts of the flesh - whether purportedly done by the power of the Spirit or not) to earn or keep or prove our own salvation. "And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts" Galatians 5:24 is a description of those that belong to Christ. The Holy Spirit is not a ticket. The Holy Spirit is God literally indwelling inside of a person, fully equipping them to be free from enslaving sin. The Holy Spirit gives: self control, control over ones own self, is one of the fruits of having the Holy Spirit. Therefore they that truly have the Holy Spirit of Almighty God have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts by His Spirit that is in them. Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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