Let's talk about the faith of Jesus Christ

[Don19]

1 minute ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

The Holy Spirit is not a ticket.

 

You are wrong.

Eph 1:13-14:

¹³ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

¹⁴ Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

2 Cor 1:22:

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2 Cor 5:5:

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

 

Now, let's find out what an earnest is.

noun

a portion of something, given or done in advance as a pledge of the remainder.

Law. earnest money.

anything that gives pledge, promise, or indication of what is to follow.

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/earnest

[Desopixi Seilynam]

9 minutes ago, Don19 said:

a portion of something, given or done in advance as a pledge of the remainder.

The down payment of our inheritance. Part of the prize we receive. And the Holy Spirit is God indwelling a person. The Holy Spirit is the third part of God, not a ticket.

The down payment of our inheritance. Part of the prize we receive.

 

Those that live after the flesh make evident that they have no inheritance at all. Ephesians 5:5, Galatians 5:14-24, Worldly having not the Spirit. [Jude 1:19]

 

 

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"Some of the things Paul said are hard to understand, and unlearned men take and twist them" 2 Peter 3:15-16

Let us learn therefore, what is to learn? Scripture.

 

"They grieved His Holy Spirit, therefore He was turned to be their enemy" Isaiah 63:10

"Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed" Ephesians 4:30

Tell me, can you grieve a ticket?

Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam

[Don19]

1 minute ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The Holy Spirit is the third part of God, not a ticket.

 

The Holy Spirit is given as God's pledge of salvation. It is this perfect love that casts out fears (1 John 4:18). Now, it follows that if anyone speaks against the Holy Spirit, as Jesus warned about, he knows nothing of the sealing of the Spirit and thus doesn't have forgiveness. Satan does not cast out Satan, and a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 minutes ago, Don19 said:

The Holy Spirit is given as God's pledge of salvation.

"They grieved His Holy Spirit, therefore He was turned to be their enemy" Isaiah 63:10

"Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed" Ephesians 4:30

Can we grieve a ticket?

Can we enter the kingdom of heaven as enemies of God?

Edited September 26, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam

[Don19]

Just now, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"They grieved His Holy Spirit, therefore He was turned to be their enemy" Isaiah 63:10

"Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed" Ephesians 4:30

 

Can we enter the kingdom of heaven as enemies of God?

Your 1st verse is from the Old Testament, before the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit became a reality. The 2nd should be obvious that grieving the Spirit has nothing to do with losing salvation, since it is specifically mentioned that is by the Spirit that we're sealed, even if we're grieving the Spirit, and not walking in Christ as we ought to be.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

Just now, Don19 said:

Your 1st verse is from the Old Testament, before the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit became a reality.

But when they had the Spirit they grieved Him and therefore He was turned to be their enemy.

It is what we have to learn before we can fully understand Paul, it is why Paul (a scholar in the word, having it in his mind) chooses to use those words.

We today can still also see the clear connection between the two passages: grieving the Holy Spirit. It can not be that grieving Him in the past led to being His enemy, and that grieving Him now does not, but rather as Paul says elsewhere these things were written for our example. Paul quotes the old testament a lot to back up His words, and also in this case, Paul's words are backed up by scripture and not void of it.

As is the case also when Paul speaks of a circumcision of the heart, Moses said the exact same thing already, the whole Bible has just one author: the Holy Spirit.

[Don19]

1 minute ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

It can not be that grieving Him in the past led to being His enemy, and that grieving Him now does not

Wrong again. These are the two covenants.

Gal 4:21-31:

²¹ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

²² For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

²³ But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

²⁴ Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

²⁵ For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

²⁶ But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

²⁷ For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

²⁸ Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

²⁹ But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

³⁰ Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

³¹ So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

6 minutes ago, Don19 said:

The 2nd should be obvious that grieving the Spirit has nothing to do with losing salvation

We are not immortal now, we don't have the body Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15.

As of now, we are supposed to be saved, from our enslaving sins.  And once we come to this knowledge, the knowledge of repentance, we will not leave it, for God is faithful.

Those that belong to Christ are described in Galatians 5:24 And Romans 8:14.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 minutes ago, Don19 said:

Wrong again. These are the two covenants.

I'm not speaking about being under the law, I'm speaking about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

"And they that are Christs, have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts" Galatians 5:24

It happens by the power of the Holy Spirit within them.

[Don19]

Just now, Desopixi Seilynam said:

I'm not speaking about being under the law, I'm speaking about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

 

Already addressed this:

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

Wrong. The "law" in not limited to the Law of Moses. It's any commandment whatsoever, which we can only ever fall short in obeying perfectly. God's standard is perfection, just so you know.

Romans 2:14-15:

¹⁴ For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

¹⁵ Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Pay close attention also to what Paul says in Gal 3:21

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

I don't know how it could any plainer. There is no law that was ever given, or which could possibly be given, that could give life. Not the commandments of Christ to love God with all our hearts and love our neighbor as ourselves. No - while that's certainly a rule for living, righteousness absolutely does NOT come by observing it, because no one ever does it perfectly.