Let's talk about the faith of Jesus Christ

[Peterlag]

Acts 15:12
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

Is it possible God wrought miracles and wonders among the Gentiles by them because they were working with Jesus Christ who has the authority?

And then there is this...

Acts 19:11
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

Is it possible God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul because he was working with Jesus Christ who has the authority?

We thank God and then use the password which is Jesus Christ. It now seems clear to me that we should thank God that we can ask Jesus Christ who has the authority. And by the way, how did our minds get so blinded in the first place? I think the enemy did it like this...

First he killed my understanding of "the power of God" by teaching me to follow after "the Christ in me" through my flesh. And by sheer default, that made me follow after the flesh in me.

Then he killed my understanding of "the authority of Christ" by making it a name. And that left me thinking I had the authority or the authority to use a name.

At this point "faith" is already half dead because it cannot believe in God's power or the authority of Christ. On top of that he then killed "faith" further by making it my belief system.

[David1701]

14 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Oh yes. I was just expanding on that word. It was about a year after God saved me that He guided me to the truth that we are hopelessly helpless in renewing a right relationship with Him. 

So when I came across verses ( even to this day) that the churches use to support free will,  I examine the verse further, because I know both teachings can't be correct. Either God is completely in control of who He saves or He is not. Even if I don't fully understand the Faith of Christ I know it's not my faith that saved me or initiated that relationship. 

 

It's not faith that saves us anyway.  We are saved by GRACE, through faith.  God saves his elect by his unmerited favour towards us, and he does this by pouring that grace into us, through the channel of faith.

Eph. 2:8-10 (EMTV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. 

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Whose faith?

The faith that God gives you.  Once he has given it to you, it is your faith in Jesus Christ.

Eph. 2:8 (EMTV) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Acts 15:12
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

Is it possible God wrought miracles and wonders among the Gentiles by them because they were working with Jesus Christ who has the authority?

And then there is this...

Acts 19:11
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

Is it possible God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul because he was working with Jesus Christ who has the authority?

We thank God and then use the password which is Jesus Christ. It now seems clear to me that we should thank God that we can ask Jesus Christ who has the authority. And by the way, how did our minds get so blinded in the first place? I think the enemy did it like this...

First he killed my understanding of "the power of God" by teaching me to follow after "the Christ in me" through my flesh. And by sheer default, that made me follow after the flesh in me.

Then he killed my understanding of "the authority of Christ" by making it a name. And that left me thinking I had the authority or the authority to use a name.

At this point "faith" is already half dead because it cannot believe in God's power or the authority of Christ. On top of that he then killed "faith" further by making it my belief system.

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Acts 3

New King James Version

A Lame Man Healed

V 6 Then Peter said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: 

In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” 

7 And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength...

 12 “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? 

16 And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

The faith that God gives you.  Once he has given it to you, it is your faith in Jesus Christ.

 

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Eph. 2:8 (EMTV) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

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Your statement in the first paragraph;

"The faith that God gives you.  Once he has given it to you, it is your faith in Jesus Christ".

This statement does not sound good to me...

If it suggest that God is responsible for not giving you faith to believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins...then the one to be blame when someone is not believing is God...

And if God and Jesus work together having the same will...

Or Jesus following in the will of the Father...

Then how can Jesus judge someone who has not believe in him if God is responsible...for not giving that person faith in the first place....

You should reconsider your statement, perhaps there is something you want to say but you did not correctly fraise it ...

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

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Your statement in the first paragraph;

"The faith that God gives you.  Once he has given it to you, it is your faith in Jesus Christ".

This statement does not sound good to me...

If it suggest that God is responsible for not giving you faith to believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins...then the one to be blame when someone is not believing is God...

The natural (i.e. not born again) man is responsible for his condition of unbelief, since his unbelief is a sin that comes from his own wicked heart.

God is not obligated to give repentance and faith to any of us rebellious, hostile-to-God sinners.  The fact that he does give them to some, is only because of his amazing grace!

2 Tim. 2:25,26 (EMTV)

25 in meekness instructing those that oppose, if God perhaps may give them repentance, to a full knowledge of the truth,
26 and they regain their senses and escape out of the snare of the devil, having been captured alive by him to do his will. 

Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

1 Cor. 1:27-31 (EMTV)

27 But God chose the foolish things of the world in order that He might humiliate the wise, and God chose the weak things of the world in order that He might humiliate the mighty.
28 And the lowly things of the world, and the despised things God has chosen, and the things which are not, in order that He might nullify the things that are,
29 so that no man may boast before God.
30 But from Him you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption;
31 that, as it is written, "He that boasts, let him boast in the Lord." 

Jesus died to save his people (the elect from Jews and Gentiles) from their sins, not merely to make it possible for every single person to be saved, at the whim of the person's supposedly free will.

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And if God and Jesus work together having the same will...

Or Jesus following in the will of the Father...

Then how can Jesus judge someone who has not believe in him if God is responsible...for not giving that person faith in the first place....

You should reconsider your statement, perhaps there is something you want to say but you did not correctly fraise it ...

 

As I said, the sinner is responsible for his own unbelief.  God is under no obligation to give a hostile-to-God, light-hating rebel a new heart/spirit, to cause him to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

Ez. 36:26,27 (VW)

26 I will also give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments and do them.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? 

I think this says it all. 

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Please I am not sure how to approach your statement above. 

As it is, it's very difficult or impossible to guess..

Please elaborate...what do you see in that scripture to make you say; 

"I think this says it all".

 

[CaptWalker]

Well as far as the Word of Faith "movement" goes, i dont have too much to say about that...other than my crazy stepdad who believes in it with ALL his heart, along with many of his friends. And this is someone who I must point out has episodes where he will yell out crazy things throughout the day like someone in a mental institute would, or maybe even worse!? And his overall demeanor in general tells me more than enough as to what type of "beliefs" i should NOT adhere to or have anything to do with whatsoever! Now i'm sure many here would disagree with that and simply write it off as someone like him just happening to fall into all this Word of Faith craziness(pun intended)...but however you choose to ignore the insanity is up to you, but it is what it is, period. And will say nothing more on the subject...as far as any apostate "faith" is concerned.

Edited October 4, 2020 by CaptWalker
Nothing better to do...?

[Your closest friendnt]

13 minutes ago, CaptWalker said:

Well as far as the Word of Faith "movement" goes, i dont have too much to say about that...other than my crazy a** stepdad who believes in it with ALL his heart, along with many of his friends. And this is someone who I must point out has episodes where he  yells out crazy things throughout the day like someone in a mental institute would, or maybe even worse!? And his overall demeanor in general tells me more than enough as to what type of "beliefs" i should NOT adhere to or have anything to do with whatsoever, period!!! Now i'm sure many here would disagree with that and simply write it off as some nutcase who has happened to fall into to all this Word of Faith craziness(pun intended)...but however you choose to ignore the insanity is up to you, but it is what i is...period. And will say nothing more on the subject...as far as apostate "faith" is concerned.

Deviation 

 

[Peterlag]

10 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Whose faith?

It's totally impossible that my little human trust in Jesus could bring about the righteousness of God.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:

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It's totally impossible that my believing in Jesus Christ could cause me to be justified.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

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