A different perception - of the Beasts

[DeighAnn]

I was pondering on the beast and trying to gain some understanding or the concept of the beast and JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE. 

 I DIDN'T FIND this WRITTEN IN THE WORD OF GOD, THIS IS JUST A different WAY TO EXPLAIN "THE GOVERNMENTS/COUNTRIES  "BEAST SYSTEM" COMING TO POWER"

OK

The mountains are the worlds countries  Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia/Oceania, Europe, North America, and South America

Those with the crowns are the "CEO"s of the big company that run/control the power OF ALL that we see (much of what many think   (president, king, ruler)

These are the "horns/powers"  Television, Radio, Newspaper, Internet, Satellites, Phones, Banks 

This multi headed Beast is easily subject to evil influences (promised wealth and power) they fall under "the one" evil influence over all.

They rule nations (minds)  They control what we do, what we think, what we see.  They are in control of our perceptions of the world.

If one of the powers' goes down, say the satellite system, it could kill the entire system /"beast". (deadly wound)

(Look  how much power they have over us already) (People "spiritually" dying all over the world every day by getting caught up in this world and not keeping God as they should, first.)
 

Then "one" comes along and "fixes" it and brings the world back on line.  Sets up the "image" (talking) (video, movies..) that will be/are worshipped.  (Also great for the 10 day trials as they could be broadcast throughout the world) (no idea how that could work except card readers/scanners/cameras built into the devices)(right hand or forehead)  
 

The Antichrist 2nd beast (looks like a lamb but speaks as a dragon)  would then use the 1st beast to control the world a one religious system of worship.  

And when it is time to sit proclaiming to the world he is god, it is the world that sees him EVERYWHERE, sitting where he ought not.

All the great signs and wonders and miracles and peace and safety are easy to be seen by all and believed with the "images" as proof.  Who is like him?

And "out of the mouth of the beast/world communication system"  great blasphemies/claims of being God.  (except for the last part, not much different than today actually with all the sin that goes every minute of every day.  


 sleep now.  

[Diaste]

So you don't think it's literal?

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

So you don't think it's literal?

No, I do not.  

I try and remember how Gods people didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah because of their perception of what was written was so far off from what they saw that they wouldn't/couldn't accept Him.  How different will we be?
 
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Greek
And I saw out of the sea a beast rising,
having horns ten,
and heads seven,
and on the horns of it, 10 royal crowns, 
and upon the heads of it, names of blasphemy 
what follows next are kingdoms of the world -  their "characteristics" to be noted as to how this "beast" will operate.

BEAST - Figuratively a brutal (beastial) nature  
RISING - an ascending  - to go up, move to a higher place, be borne up, mount, grow
Waters - people
Horns - powers
Crowns - "royalty"  

 ascending up from the peoples of the world, will be a world wide (7 mountains/continents) power (more power than seen from the 7 heads/rulers ) structure.  A political system that rules the world,  all under the influence of Satan.



Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
ten horns that hate the whore?  If it was "an animal" how could  the horns  hate?

I think the "mystery of iniquity" that is already working (the synagogue of Satan, the prince of this world) is getting everything and everyone in place for what is coming upon the world. The beast is and has been ascending.  How many times have we already heard -  the top 3% of the people run the world?  

In my opinion there is no way that there is going to be an animal walking and talking with crowns on its horns on his heads that people are going to, whatever.

And it is not Satan in person, at this point, not till the 2nd half, but it is Satan who is giving the power and authority.  But "this first beast" gets "his" kingdom all set up for when he is cast so that everything is in place world wide for him to jump right in.  He doesn't have very long to do all he wants to do  that is to be worshipped as God.  

I don't think Christians today consider enough the "deception" side of this tribulation enough.  With signs and wonders and miracles, and flatteries, and peace and safety...so good is he that even GODS ELECT would be deceived.  In other words he is so convincing that he is "God",  that if given enough time THOSE who absolutely know what is going on would be swayed.  How scary is that?  How really really good he is.

He hates those who love God.  KILLING their flesh does nothing for him.  He wants to TURN them FROM GOD to himself.  That is how you hurt God.   He wants to prove to God that the love of many can be stolen with just words, and how he DESERVES to sit on that seat.  He wants them to become "spiritually dead", to join him in the lake of fire.  

Why would the world worship "a beast" when the remnant going around giving Gods Truth?  BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A BEAST.   If THIS BEAST WAS indeed running around murdering people all over the place, well the world would see IT for the imposter he is.  But he does not work 'OVERTLY' but covertly, in deception.  The wars and rumors of wars come before.  When armies are seen later, they are coming to worship him that sits where he ought not.  Not until Christ returns are these armies in for a fight.  Up until then THE WORLD WORSHIPS AFTER him.  THEY are hearing "peace and safety".  What they don't know is the sudden destruction that is coming upon this "fantasy world" made up of lies and deception.  

So I ask myself what would work and be accepted to the world in terms of an evil power, and 
 "not being seen but being in plain sight"
works for those who know what they are doing and for those without a clue, and the truth of the matter only "seen" by Gods Elect.


So if you  point out where some/none of this could possibly be TRUTH, I would appreciate it the input. 
I have tried to think "animal" and it just doesn't work for me.  I mean if there was to show up something like that on the earth, you can bet a lot of people who had never opened their bibles up before would and would immediately know it was bad and there is no deception in that.  

 

[Marathoner]

Fascinating, @DeighAnn. I'm in agreement so I hope you don't mind if I write a bit. The book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ is laden with symbols befitting a vision from the Lord; at certain intervals during this astonishing vision the apostle is furnished with interpretations of some of that imagery which he shares with us, confirmation which vindicates what you've shared thus far. I'm blessed to come across this topic.  

We think along similar lines where the first beast is concerned. In my particular view, beast = the flesh and all that springs forth from it (the manifold works of fallen man such as empires, achievements, etc.). Hence the number of the beast is a man. This is in agreement with everything adorning the beast from the sea: they are works of man.  

We know that Satan has power over this flesh. Recall how the Lord rebuked Peter for being fixated upon fleshly/worldly concerns ("Get thee behind Me, Satan"). This is how the evil one rules the world of fallen man. The flesh is weak hence Satan gives the beast his power: they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast (Rev. 13:4a). They worshiped the beast saying "who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" (Rev. 13:4b) 

Revelation 13:4 might be interpreted to read, "The people worshiped Satan because he gave his power to flesh; the people worshiped themselves saying 'who is like man, and who can wage war against man?'"

I'd be interested in learning what you think about my particular take on the beast from the sea, sister.     
 

Edited September 5, 2020 by Marathoner
clarification

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

No, I do not.  

I try and remember how Gods people didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah because of their perception of what was written was so far off from what they saw that they wouldn't/couldn't accept Him.  How different will we be?
 
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Greek
And I saw out of the sea a beast rising,
having horns ten,
and heads seven,
and on the horns of it, 10 royal crowns, 
and upon the heads of it, names of blasphemy 
what follows next are kingdoms of the world -  their "characteristics" to be noted as to how this "beast" will operate.

BEAST - Figuratively a brutal (beastial) nature  
RISING - an ascending  - to go up, move to a higher place, be borne up, mount, grow
Waters - people
Horns - powers
Crowns - "royalty"  

 ascending up from the peoples of the world, will be a world wide (7 mountains/continents) power (more power than seen from the 7 heads/rulers ) structure.  A political system that rules the world,  all under the influence of Satan.



Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
ten horns that hate the whore?  If it was "an animal" how could  the horns  hate?

Yes. This is obvious allegory, symbolism and is representative. Scripture defines the above in the scriptures.

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

He hates those who love God.  KILLING their flesh does nothing for him.  He wants to TURN them FROM GOD to himself.  That is how you hurt God.   He wants to prove to God that the love of many can be stolen with just words, and how he DESERVES to sit on that seat.  He wants them to become "spiritually dead", to join him in the lake of fire.  

Why would the world worship "a beast" when the remnant going around giving Gods Truth?  BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A BEAST.   If THIS BEAST WAS indeed running around murdering people all over the place, well the world would see IT for the imposter he is.  But he does not work 'OVERTLY' but covertly, in deception.  The wars and rumors of wars come before.  When armies are seen later, they are coming to worship him that sits where he ought not.  Not until Christ returns are these armies in for a fight.  Up until then THE WORLD WORSHIPS AFTER him.  THEY are hearing "peace and safety".  What they don't know is the sudden destruction that is coming upon this "fantasy world" made up of lies and deception.  

So I ask myself what would work and be accepted to the world in terms of an evil power, and 
 "not being seen but being in plain sight"
works for those who know what they are doing and for those without a clue, and the truth of the matter only "seen" by Gods Elect.

I agree there will be deception. It's already here. The whole world was deceived by Covid-19. It's going to get more outrageous.

I don't think there is a whole lot of deception in forcing the world to worship the image of the beast or be killed. 

I'm convinced there will be a great many overt acts. "Who is able to make war with him?" That's not allegory. One persons beast is another's Savior. Look at the satanic leaders of the past like Mao. He was worshiped even as he was murdering 60 million people. And there are many, many of these examples. Following a murderous tyrant is not unusual and even worse that same tyrant is usually left alone to kill as many as he wants.

While there is symbolism and allegory in Revelation it's going to play out in the natural realm. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[abcdef]

On 9/3/2020 at 10:52 PM, DeighAnn said:

I was pondering on the beast and trying to gain some understanding or the concept of the beast and JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE. 
 

The beast is a city with 7 hills/mountains Rev 17:9, 18.

[DeighAnn]

10 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Fascinating, @DeighAnn. I'm in agreement so I hope you don't mind if I write a bit. The book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ is laden with symbols befitting a vision from the Lord; at certain intervals during this astonishing vision the apostle is furnished with interpretations of some of that imagery which he shares with us, confirmation which vindicates what you've shared thus far. I'm blessed to come across this topic.  

We think along similar lines where the first beast is concerned. In my particular view, beast = the flesh and all that springs forth from it (the manifold works of fallen man such as empires, achievements, etc.). Hence the number of the beast is a man. This is in agreement with everything adorning the beast from the sea: they are works of man.  

We know that Satan has power over this flesh. Recall how the Lord rebuked Peter for being fixated upon fleshly/worldly concerns ("Get thee behind Me, Satan"). This is how the evil one rules the world of fallen man. The flesh is weak hence Satan gives the beast his power: they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast (Rev. 13:4a). They worshiped the beast saying "who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" (Rev. 13:4b) 

Revelation 13:4 might be interpreted to read, "The people worshiped Satan because he gave his power to flesh; the people worshiped themselves saying 'who is like man, and who can wage war against man?'"

I'd be interested in learning what you think about my particular take on the beast from the sea, sister.     
 

I think it is man putting his way over the Lords and that is Satans MO.  I think many Christians will be lulled into going into the beast system because "they can not see" it is the beast.  Its a world government, politics and it is working out so well for everyone.  I think that is why when the two witnesses come and start preaching  right before the 2nd half, when Satan is kicked out, the 144,000s eyes are opened and they immediately repent and never "worship" Satan in person on earth.  But they didn't see the first beast at all.  

So yes, I do like the beast from the sea as a "group" rising to the top and running the world under Satans influence.  It will "feel" good and right.  The wars and rumors of wars will be past.  It will feel like "peace and safety" to all those who do not know.  We hear of the "illumnauti" how ever it's spelled (I don't need to know) and brush it off.  But we shouldn't.  Like I said "they didn't recognize Christ as the Messiah" because of the preconceived notions.  IT OPENS MY EYES TO look to God in prayer and study so as I don't fall into any trap.  

And please, as far as my posts go, go where the Spirit leads you.  If reading something makes a light shine on something, I am willing to hear.  I believe God when we are told knowledge will increase.  I believe the internet is one of the main routes, BUT for both sides.  

Thank you for your input.

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. This is obvious allegory, symbolism and is representative. Scripture defines the above in the scriptures.

 

I agree there will be deception. It's already here. The whole world was deceived by Covid-19. It's going to get more outrageous.

I don't think there is a whole lot of deception in forcing the world to worship the image of the beast or be killed. 

I'm convinced there will be a great many overt acts. "Who is able to make war with him?" That's not allegory. One persons beast is another's Savior. Look at the satanic leaders of the past like Mao. He was worshiped even as he was murdering 60 million people. And there are many, many of these examples. Following a murderous tyrant is not unusual and even worse that same tyrant is usually left alone to kill as many as he wants.

While there is symbolism and allegory in Revelation it's going to play out in the natural realm. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you but please hear me out.  I am questioning here.  I am making sure that i am not "seeing" because others do.   

What are wars about?  Religion, economic gain, territory, etc.  What happens when all "believe" in the same thing?  What happens when wealth is given out to all?  What happens when everything "feels" like it is being equal?  

The wars and rumors of wars are the beginnings of sorrows.  How much more noticeable will be the "one world all on the same page" life?  AND THEN, when it receives the deadly wound, the panic that will ensue only make it SUPER EASY to worship the "saviour of the system" that gave them such relief.  
 
IF I DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HADN'T STUDIED THE WORD OF GOD, that everything happening was all a lie and a deception, I would believe as the world will.  ALL you have to do is "worship" him.  Look at the people of today and how quickly and easily they worship anyone they like.  They have no devotion to God.  Anything and everything in this world comes before He does.  He is relegated to the hour on "whatever" day and a prayer of thanks before a meal and a prayer when in trouble.  HOW  many people do you truly know that put God above everyone and everything in their lives?  How many claim to be Christs, but have no interest in him besides "what can he do for me"?

What have we seen of Satan and his church?  

He lies and seduces by making you question God and what you know.  His followers come in and mingle amongst us AND WE ARE UNAWARE they are even there unless specifically looking for them or until it is too late.  


Satans "beast" is going to satisfy "the flesh" of men and men are going to believe he MUST be God to make all the world happy and to bring about peace.  

THAT is the falling away.  That is the temptation.  That is the trial.  When all around you are of a like mind and it "looks and seems" like heaven on earth, and everyone is working together and on and on, and WE can't be a part of it, not at all.  


  Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


When tempting Christ, and an example for us, I believe, what did he ask and promise?   Does he threaten or tempt?  What does he challenge?

Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

He is going to challenge our faith.  Our knowledge, devotion.  Can we be bought?  

Those without Gods truth will not have a way to fight him off.  BUT THOSE WHO DO, those standing firm in the Word have been given all they need to withstand up until the day they die.

 
And when we remind God of his promises, He is faithful.  But we must stand in faith.  THIS IS WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM.  JUST CAUSE 
THE WORLD IS ASKING DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN GIVEN THE ANSWER.

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Luke 10:23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:

Luke 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

  
 

He tempts us away from Gods TRUTH.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

Into being deceitful

Acts 5:3-9
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it

 

2Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

2Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

2Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 

2Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

The beast is a city with 7 hills/mountains Rev 17:9, 18.

I thought the woman was a city.

 

[abcdef]

45 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I thought the woman was a city.

 

The woman is a city Rev 17:18. But the beast is also a city.

Rev 17:3, "and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, ......, having seven heads ....".

Rev 17:9 "The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

The beast is seven mountains that the woman sits on. 

The woman is a city, that sits on the beast of the seven hills.

If the woman is a city, that sits on seven hills, the beast must also be a city of seven hills that the woman sits on.

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The woman sits on the beast, but she is not the beast, she is only seen as sitting on the beast of the seven mountains/hills.

Both are cities, but are different entities.

The place where the woman and the beast sit, in the vision, is the "seat of the beast."