Time to cancel Netflix. (FYIs in case you missed it)

[David1701]

32 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

Yes, I was concerned at the start that it was being exaggerated, so I investigated it myself.  From the various descriptions of the movie, to the trailers, to the artwork posted about the movie... it is clearly and undeniably pedophilia.

It is putting 11-year-old girls into a sexuallized twerking group, wearing skin revealing skin tight outfits, doing clearly suggestive dance moves.

And again, even the description of the movie says as much. It says an 11-year-old girl rejects her conservative parents, and joins a twerking dance group, and "Explores her femininity".

Now of course Netflix didn't say "We support pedophilia".   But if you had such a movie on your service, and someone told you it's pedophilia, and you review it and see a bunch of 11-year-olds in clothe barely larger than a bikini, and dancing around twerking with their butts up in the air....

You would move to remove the movie.   Netflix gave several statements, that all said the same thing which roughly translated to we support diversity and a variety of cultures.

That's basically them defending the movie, and openly saying they will not remove it.

Unless you tell Netflix why the subscription is being canceled they will neither know nor care. Be wise, not just holy.

That's fine.... if that's how you want to roll.

The book of Revelations says that things will get worse before the end.  So I for one, basically accept the fact that this is the direction our world is going.

So the purpose of this action, is not about Netflix knowing why they are being canceled, or careing.

This is how the world is going.  We are not going to stop it, by complaining at Netflix.

So why is it my opinion you should cancel your Netflix?

Because we are stewards of the money G-d has given us.  Do you see?  It's not our money.  It is G-d's money.   And now that you know that Netflix is actively defending and supporting clear unambiguous pedophilia.... how can you in good conscious give G-d's money to a company that supports this?

How do you plan to face Jesus on judgement day, and have him ask you what's up with that?

This entire thing has been rather shocking to me, that so many people can prioritize entertainment.... which is all this is.  You don't need Netflix for your life.  It's entertainment.

I don't understand how people can pick having their entertainment over opposing Pedophilia.  Just baffling to me that this discussion has gone on for 9 pages.

My internet company is Wowway.  If someone came to me and said that Wowway was directly supporting Pedophila.  First I would verify the claim.  And you can verify everything I said about Netflix and the movie cuties.  There is plenty of information about this.

And then once I verified it, I would have it canceled before the end of the month.   I would never prioritize something that is clearly an optional service of society, over standing for what is right.

It's much more difficult to make a difference than it was (because standards and safeguards have been eroded); but I remember that Mary Whitehouse made a significant difference to British television, almost single-handedly.  If Christians all banded together, to combat evil, prayerfully, it would make a great difference, because God grants whatever we ask that is according to his will.  Nothing is too hard for the Lord.

Edited September 15, 2020 by David1701

[LadyKay]

 

I think this is one of those "disputable" matters that we are told not to argue about in Romans 14 We should decided for ourselves what is best to do, and to allow others to do the same. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by LadyKay
It was all wrong

[Aimes]

16 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

 

I think this is one of those "disputable" matters that we are told not to argue about in Romans 14 We should decided for ourselves what is best to do, and to allow others to do the same. 

I agree. I think Andy was just bringing this to everyone's attention. So many wouldn't even know what was going on if others didn't start conversations about it. 

 

1 hour ago, LonerAndy said:

 

Unless you tell Netflix why the subscription is being canceled they will neither know nor care. Be wise, not just holy.

 

When you cancel it actually asks you why. My friends and I have typed in "Cuties - sexual exploitation of minors"

I read an article today, written by someone who tried to watch this movie but had to turn it off halfway through. They were of the thinking "it can't be as bad as everyone says it is". They detailed what they saw and I just ...... I can't. Straight up horrible. 

 

[other one]

well, before you cancel Netflix you need to watch "The Social Delima"

The people who were behind the AI that FaceBook, Twitter and the other internet social media, tell what's going on and it is rather disturbing...

[Salvation67]

I canceled netflix when I learned they support and promote the gay and lesbian and transgender cause's. Just doesn't seem right to me to financially support a service that promotes things like that. Now they are working on pedophilia. Just my two cents.

[LonerAndy]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

That is not the same as you having seen the movie, Andy. What you're doing is telling others how to behave based on second- and third-hand accounts. Yes, I too investigated the movie and yes it does appear to be completely depraved in content, intent, and even as a piece of art and definitely to be avoided. I think it should be repudiated by all, not just Christians of a conservative moral ethic. I think the author (writer/film makers) should be asked to explain how and why this is something worth the time and money meant to make the movie because in doing so their depravity will be made visible to all. 

But we know that's not going to happen. 

My response to the op has less to do with the profane, vulgar, and perverse nature of the movie than with someone telling everyone how to behave. That isn't much different in principle than what the filmmakers are doing. Some guy wants to tell everyone that it's okay to sexualize eleven year old girls (in all likelihood he does so hypocritically) while another guy wants to tell everyone which cable subscriptions they can and cannot view. 

Not according to the op, it's not "fine." the op states, 

"My advice to all of you, if any of this matters to you, you should cancel your Netflix account. No christian should be directly or indirectly supporting this, by giving your G-d given money to a company that supports pedophilia. So I'll say it bluntly. Cancel your Netflix. If we allow support of Pedophilia to go without opposition, then we are not the salt of the Earth anymore. We are accomplices in evil."

I see. This is op is apocalyptic. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and there is nothing Christians can do to stop it. You mention the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation in my Bibles (all of them) begins with forceful admonitions to be overcomers and it concludes with victory, the victory of a new heavens and earth with Christ as its center. 

[/indent]Note to the readers: several times since I rejoined Worthy I have been asked why eschatology matters. Those comments I just quoted are one of the reasons. Andy would like all the Christians to withdraw and NOT inform others why. In a minute I will quote Andy's comments about stewardship so I ask you is it good stewardship to cede control to the ungodly? I emphatically say, "No!"[/indent]

I have already answered that question, Andy. We do so by watching wholesome content and not only ignoring unwholesome content but also informing the network when we believe they have acted inappropriately. We are stewards over everything, not just money. Your time, talent, and treasure. My time, talent, and treasure. Our words are a matter of stewardship and this op claims we should ignore the film, withdraw from Netflix and let the world become a little more disgusting without saying a word to the ungodly. 

That is not stewardship. 

Washed clean by his blood and standing before him uncondemned having lived an imperfect victory based on his perfect victory. How about you? How will you explain the practice of telling all others how to act? How will you explain saying nothing to those you paid when they behaved profanely? How will you explain ceding God's creation to the ungodly under the auspices of shunning "stewardship"? 

And there is the crux of the issue: your lack of understanding! And, if the posts are any indication this lack of understanding is based at least in part on a given apocalyptic view of the future that causes you to withdraw from the fight and tell others to do the same because you believe nothing can be done about it except shunning "stewardship". 

How about you try getting a little understanding before showing your shock and lack of understanding? 

 

No, perhaps people do not need Netflix in their lives and I'll be the first to say 1) very little on television is worth the time spent watching it and 2) the entire business of broadcast art is one in which Christians have sadly abdicated power but humans do need entertainment. That protest is a red herring. Your conflict isn't with entertainment; it's with Netflix as a source for such. 

 

And, lastly, if what you believe is true then if WOWway isn't already donating money to ungodly causes and broadcasting ungodly content then it is just a matter of time before it does. And.... if it broadcasts shows such as The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Mr. Robot, Skins, Orange is the New Black, Spartacus, Preacher, Dexter, American Horror Story, Slasher, Californication, Shameless, Euphoria, or just about any sit-cim in which the husbands/fathers are all idiotic deceitful buffoons, the wives/moms are all shrill and controlling, and the children are rebellious and conniving geniuses then you'll have to cancel your WOWway subscription, too.  

The fact is this: because the shows listed above are watched we have movies like "Cuties." We've reaped what we've sowed. Christians avoiding the public marketplace (of both art and ideas) has precipitated the kind of entertainment/propaganda we have on television. You got no one to blame but you so think about that when you stand before Jesus. 

 

Now, to be more congenial, I sympathize and empathize with you, Andy, in regards to the plight of creation currently. I disagree with your methods. I also disagree with your eschatology and one of the reasons is because it drives you to withdraw where I think it should drive us all to engage and engage victoriously, confident and trusting in the sovereignty of God over His creation  in our generation. 

And for that reason I recommend you pick up a copy of Francis Schaeffer's trilogy and read it. Since you live in the continental USA I will gladly purchase the book for you on Amazon and have it sent to you general delivery if you'll agree to read it in its entirety. It is a book that speaks of the loss of Christian vitality in culture and society and how we should be first and foremost with a voice in the marketplace of ideas because we have the truth and the best solutions to humanity's challenges and problems. It is a book, next to our Bibles, that every Christian should read. And I'll send you a copy on my dime if you'll read it. You can read it while you're not watching television . .

That is not the same as you having seen the movie, Andy.

Actually yes it is.  I don't need to read a porn magazine cover to cover, to see the front cover, see naked chicks, and know that there is nothing good inside that magazine.

Do I need to inside that place, to figure out if it's a clean wholesome place?  That is a place that exist down the street from me. Unfortunately we can't force it to close, because it is in another municipality.

Do I really need to go in, and "experience" the entire thing to find out what "private dancer" means?

No, I do not.  Thanks, but you are wrong.

My response to the op has less to do with the profane, vulgar, and perverse nature of the movie than with someone telling everyone how to behave.

How about you try getting a little understanding before showing your shock and lack of understanding? 

So how about you follow your own advice?

You posted that you were against people saying how others should be behave..... and then spent five paragraphs saying how you think the poster should behave.

This is a forum.  Every single post by every single poster, is an opinion on what others should do or believe.   Every single post here is "This is my opinion, and how I think others should act".

If you are telling me, that your big issue, is that you think it is wrong for others to give their opinion on what others should do.

And then you yourself just gave your opinion on how you believe others should act?

If you really believe that, how about you practice what you preach first?

If you truly believe that people should not give their opinion on how others should act, then I should expect this post of yours, to be the last post you ever make on this forum, or any other forum.  By your own standard, you should disappear from the internet.

As for me, this is an open forum, and I intend to keep making posts as I see fit.  And as for people who don't like my opinion... tough.   You don't have to read it, nor respond to it, but I have no obligation to you or anyone else to stop, and nor will I.

Clear enough?

[LadyKay]

In defense of Netflix.  This movie was berried to me. I had to go looking for it to find it. Netflix follows you view habits and shows/moves that fit to your view habits are the ones that show up for you to see. Since this is a movie not of my viewing habits, I had to know the name then go looking for it.  Also you can limit viewing according to "rate." In the "setting" box you can pick only view show that are rated PG or rated G. You can block show that are rated R or MA. If you do that, the only shows that will show up to you are the ones that fit your rating. You can even pass code so that only people  with the pass code can watch R or MA rated stuff. Netflix has a lot of "Christian" theme movies/show. Some are very good some are so so.  Over all it seems to be about choice. Like anything else.  

[LonerAndy]

21 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I wasn't suggesting you do view the movie. I was suggesting 1) you not tell others what to do without qualifying your reasons and commentary accordingly. The failure to understand this and argue against things I never posted makes your argument worse, not better. 

No, there will be no shifting of the onus here, Andy. You wrote this op and because this op is yours you are the one responsible for it, culpable for it, and accountable for it. You either can and will assert and defend it on your own grounds or you cannot. Tu quoque ("you do it too!") is a fallacious argument. 

So let's take a look at how this conversation has unfolded. In the space of two exchanges you've deployed at least one red herring, one straw man, one shifting onus, and one tu quoque. By any ordinary and/or objective measure that's a Fail. By every scriptural measure that's work of the flesh, not the Spirit. 

And..... apparently the relevance of my method has escaped you. I posted an alternative to demonstrate what it is like to have one individual tell others how to behave. In other words, I practiced a similar approach in hopes you'd see the paucity of such an approach! 

And you did! 

But you won't take ownership of it for yourself. 

I do follow my own advice, Andy. I routinely speak to my representatives and businesses when I see and experience conditions or events that should not exist. I don't watch shows that would compromise my spiritual health or personal ethics. I do you my wallet and I use it wisely, but unlike you (apparently) I don't do it silently. So not only is the tu quoque fallacious, it's just wrong. 

Yes, in my short time here I have become acutely aware this is how many in Worthy view the forum. There is a substantive failure in understanding the difference between 

1) This is my baseless opinion. 
2) This is my reasonably informed opinion. 
3) This is exegetically and rationally informed opinion. 
4) This is a well-made case of well-rendered scripture that goes beyond personal opinion.
5) These are the facts and I leave you to decide what to do with them.
6) These are the facts leading to a single scripturally obedient and logically necessary conclusion. 

This op is somewhere between #1 and #2 and the fact I've pointed this out is bothersome. Good. Do better. I am on your side! 

I don't particularly like it when members of the body make poor arguments and give a poor witness to both Christ and the ecclesia and provide a false reason for outsiders to criticize dismiss, or otherwise marginalize us. I especially don't like it when the holy royal priests cede terrain to the ungodly in silence and turn their disdain on their peers (implicitly or explicitly) without warrant. 

You do have a right, one provided by the moderators of the forum to express an opinion. That does not include a right to tell all others how to behave, especially when 1) its based on an apocalyptic view of the world that has not proved true since the NT era, and 2), there are reasonable, rational, exegetically sound and more effective alternatives.  And I have a right too post that just as much as you have a right to post this increasingly failing op. 

So would you like to see who can pee the furthest to settle the "rights" issue," or are you going to deal with the concerns I have brought to bear on this op because..... you haven't actually addressed any of them! So far the exchange has avoided substance of my dissent and the substance of my encouragement. I always endeavor to affirm that which bears integrity with scripture, inquire about that which is either unclear or I don't adequately understand, and refute that which does not bear integrity with scripture. I have done so here ad you've ignored both the good and the bad. 

So you gonna show up for this discussion or having said my piece and seeing nothing come of it shall I move in hopes improvements will be observable in the next op where we trade posts (because if you post like this again then you can expect a similar reply)? 

 

Stop posturing over your rights and engage the concerns broached. 

 

We should not abdicate the very large and very influential terrain of television, and we should not do so in either the business arena nor the art arena. That is just bad policy. It will increase the marginalization of the body and foster more not less persecution. It is also disobedience to God's word (and about 1800 years of Church history). We should apply a personal ethic to whatever it is we do, whether in leisure, social policy, or business, etc., and we should do so based on our belief a standard does exist external to humans individually and collectively. We should also do so with the understanding - whether we like it or not - we live in a pluralistic society where, believe it or not, we supposedly still hold the majority view but let it slip away incrementally because of ops like this one. We should also speak up and speak up where it might bear the most fruit when prayerfully submitted to God in prayer. The time it has taken you to argue with me could have been spent writing to the cable provider and Netflix! Was it? Or was a choice made to argue fallacy with me instead of doing what you know is the proper thing to do? You did, after all, agree it would be beneficial to let Netflix know (or am I recalling that incorrectly?). 

rotflmbo! 

As for people who like the movie "Cutie,"...... tough.  
As for people who like an alternative response..... tough.
As for Christians who like to use their influence for change... tough. 
As for me, Andy, I don't like your opinion so I expect you to say... "tough"! 

That's your argument, Andy. Can you not see the emptiness of it? 

 

So you gonna deal with the substance of my dissent within the context of our complete agreement no one should be viewing "Cutie," or not?

So I gave you a chance to follow your own advice, or change what your advice is.

If you can't even follow the advice that you yourself are giving... then I don't have anything more to talk to you about.

So, I'm going to place you on ignore now, and I'm only letting you know as a courtesy, so that you are not posting and wondering why I'm not replying.

Thanks for your time.  Have a good one.

[Salvation67]

1 hour ago, LonerAndy said:

That is not the same as you having seen the movie, Andy.

Actually yes it is.  I don't need to read a porn magazine cover to cover, to see the front cover, see naked chicks, and know that there is nothing good inside that magazine.

Do I need to inside that place, to figure out if it's a clean wholesome place?  That is a place that exist down the street from me. Unfortunately we can't force it to close, because it is in another municipality.

Do I really need to go in, and "experience" the entire thing to find out what "private dancer" means?

No, I do not.  Thanks, but you are wrong.

My response to the op has less to do with the profane, vulgar, and perverse nature of the movie than with someone telling everyone how to behave.

How about you try getting a little understanding before showing your shock and lack of understanding? 

So how about you follow your own advice?

You posted that you were against people saying how others should be behave..... and then spent five paragraphs saying how you think the poster should behave.

This is a forum.  Every single post by every single poster, is an opinion on what others should do or believe.   Every single post here is "This is my opinion, and how I think others should act".

If you are telling me, that your big issue, is that you think it is wrong for others to give their opinion on what others should do.

And then you yourself just gave your opinion on how you believe others should act?

If you really believe that, how about you practice what you preach first?

If you truly believe that people should not give their opinion on how others should act, then I should expect this post of yours, to be the last post you ever make on this forum, or any other forum.  By your own standard, you should disappear from the internet.

As for me, this is an open forum, and I intend to keep making posts as I see fit.  And as for people who don't like my opinion... tough.   You don't have to read it, nor respond to it, but I have no obligation to you or anyone else to stop, and nor will I.

Clear enough?

Awesome response LonerAndy!! That needed to be said. I get attacked in the same manner on here. I highly agree with you brother.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

In defense of Netflix.  This movie was berried to me. I had to go looking for it to find it. Netflix follows you view habits and shows/moves that fit to your view habits are the ones that show up for you to see. Since this is a movie not of my viewing habits, I had to know the name then go looking for it.  Also you can limit viewing according to "rate." In the "setting" box you can pick only view show that are rated PG or rated G. You can block show that are rated R or MA. If you do that, the only shows that will show up to you are the ones that fit your rating. You can even pass code so that only people  with the pass code can watch R or MA rated stuff. Netflix has a lot of "Christian" theme movies/show. Some are very good some are so so.  Over all it seems to be about choice. Like anything else.  

Netflix wants to make money, so it offers people what it thinks they want, without much regard for whether or not it is righteous (although they do openly support perversion like homosexuality, which is extremely unrighteous).  This is like the philosophy of Satanism "Do what you will.".  Netflix (and it's far from alone in this) has temptations for most appetites.

It's a bit like going into a witchcraft shop and buying some paper and ballpoint pens.  There's nothing wrong with the paper and pens (assuming that they're not witchcraft themed) but I certainly would not want to contribute knowingly to their profits.

Edited September 18, 2020 by David1701