JohnR7 Posted September 20, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted September 20, 2020 19 hours ago, HAZARD said: For the murdered baby, not the abortionist. Heaven is a wonderful place and all of that but the babies are not really going to understand what happened and why their parents did not want them here on the earth. This is all a part of being reconciled with our children so we can work our way through that. So we can establish the relationship with them that God intended for us to have. Of course they will be so excited if their parents make it to heaven to be with them. Jesus said Heaven is all about the children. So we will all be working with the children to help them to learn and grow in wisdom, knowledge and understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonerAndy Posted September 20, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 693 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 396 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) On 9/16/2020 at 12:38 PM, CaptWalker said: Well i have heard and believe it myself that all aborted babies are innocent and go to heaven, so this question is focused only on this assumption. So if this is true then what about all those babies that would have been born and lived a normal life but never accepted Christ...wouldn't they have been better off where they are at NOW?! And if so then could this actually be considered a positive aspect of abortion, or am i missing something? Such as what exactly happens to those unborn when they get to heaven, and if they are then in adult form and asked whether or not they accept or reject Christ as Savior before they are received into the Kingdom or sent to hell? It just seems kind of unfair that all those millions of aborted would get a free pass without having to go through the misery of life and make a choice to accept Christ as we do? The only other option would be that they ALL would have been saved anyway, but that would only make sense if you believed in pre-existance(which i do) and God chooses which pre-created souls will be born and which are aborted? And I am pretty sure about my own opinion but just curious about what others think, hoping to avoid the typical close-minded abortion rhetoric. I'm not entirely sure that having your head torn off, or your brains sucked out through a hose, can be described as a "free trip to Heaven". But yes, I think all children killed before the age of accountability, meaning before they are able to understand choices and actions regarding their eternal life, do in fact go to Heaven. I just find the way you described it, as if they have have this easy way of getting to Heaven, when the reality is they are being torn apart... didn't ring well with me. Edited September 26, 2020 by LonerAndy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted September 21, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,558 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 872 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Jayne said: I do not know what she wrote. Looking back, I would LOVE to know. I do know this. She sang in the choir. She helped me every summer in Vacation Bible School. She was always ready and willing to BE of service when she, herself, NEEDED to be served. She shames us all. I talk to her every now and again via Facebook. She is and has been divorced from that abuser a long time but never undertook another relationship. She had some problems getting meds adjusted. She has a new church she attends. I have never known anyone with the problems she has faced and who could get up every day and do what God wanted her to do. Right. Thats inspiring. I wish i had an ounce of her faith. Shes special for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted September 21, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,558 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 872 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 hours ago, JohnR7 said: Heaven is a wonderful place and all of that but the babies are not really going to understand what happened and why their parents did not want them here on the earth. This is all a part of being reconciled with our children so we can work our way through that. So we can establish the relationship with them that God intended for us to have. Of course they will be so excited if their parents make it to heaven to be with them. Jesus said Heaven is all about the children. So we will all be working with the children to help them to learn and grow in wisdom, knowledge and understanding. How do you know they wont understand? God couls give them understanding and what of theu arent babies but adults when we meet them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWalker Posted September 23, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/20/1970 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 {Ecclesiastes-6:3-5} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted November 5, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 403 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 239 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2020 a life cut short, before it has chance to accept Christ. john 14:6 i wouldn’t like to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 11, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 11:38 AM, CaptWalker said: Well i have heard and believe it myself that all aborted babies are innocent and go to heaven, so this question is focused only on this assumption. So if this is true then what about all those babies that would have been born and lived a normal life but never accepted Christ...wouldn't they have been better off where they are at NOW?! {snip} This is my argument against the all babies go to heaven doctrine. For what more accursed thing could be done to children (if all babies do go to heaven) than to allow them to risk eternal damnation just to have a full life in this world? Point being all babies do not go to heaven. The scriptures that seem to indicate they might are aimed at specific individuals and not carte blanch. Known to God before the foundation of the world were all who would believe in his Son. This is not Calvinism but simple logic in the omniscient God who knows all things past present future plus all the variables factoring in the limited sovereignty he granted to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 403 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 239 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 4:32 PM, JohnD said: This is my argument against the all babies go to heaven doctrine. For what more accursed thing could be done to children (if all babies do go to heaven) than to allow them to risk eternal damnation just to have a full life in this world? Point being all babies do not go to heaven. The scriptures that seem to indicate they might are aimed at specific individuals and not carte blanch. Known to God before the foundation of the world were all who would believe in his Son. This is not Calvinism but simple logic in the omniscient God who knows all things past present future plus all the variables factoring in the limited sovereignty he granted to man. Sad but probably true :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) How do aborted babies become part of God's kingdom? What does the Bible say? Must they repent of their sins? No. How can they repent if they still do not understand their guilt before God? Must they believe the Gospel? No. How can they believe something they do not understand? Must they show that their lives have been changed? Must they recite a prayer? Or be blessed by the priest? Edited December 14, 2020 by HAZARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,188 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,467 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 Sam 12:22-23 22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? 23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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