"one baptism" in Ephesians vs "doctrine of baptisms PLURAL" in Hebrews 6

[Buddy D. Mouse]

It is a paradox

How do yall explain it?

 

[Don19]

No paradox. The "one baptism" is Holy Spirit baptism (John 1:33). "Baptisms" would have in view the doctrine of Holy Spirit baptism and water baptism. Ever since Acts 10, God has given the Spirit through faith (Gal 3:2, 3:14), without water baptism. But prior to Acts 10, Peter preached water baptism as a requirement to receive the Spirit (see Acts 2). If a man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His (Romans 8:9). When the Spirit is given, He gives us testimony that we are saved now and forever (1 Cor 2:12, 2 Cor 1:21-22, Romans 8:16-17, 1 Thess 1:4-5, 1 John 5:6-10, Eph 1:13-14).

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Episcopius said:

It is a paradox

How do yall explain it?

 

Maybe rather than requiring us to re-read Ephesians and Hebrews 6, you could briefly give a description of each doctrine.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Eph 4:4

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

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One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Heb 6:1

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Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

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Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

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And this will we do, if God permit.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Sorry for the mess when I pasted those verses in. Technical problems here.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

Sorry for the mess when I pasted those verses in. Technical problems here.

I have no idea what your counter argument is.

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

No paradox. The "one baptism" is Holy Spirit baptism (John 1:33). "Baptisms" would have in view the doctrine of Holy Spirit baptism and water baptism. Ever since Acts 10, God has given the Spirit through faith (Gal 3:2, 3:14), without water baptism. But prior to Acts 10, Peter preached water baptism as a requirement to receive the Spirit (see Acts 2). If a man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His (Romans 8:9). When the Spirit is given, He gives us testimony that we are saved now and forever (1 Cor 2:12, 2 Cor 1:21-22, Romans 8:16-17, 1 Thess 1:4-5, 1 John 5:6-10, Eph 1:13-14).

Don19, very well said!

Matthew 3:11 (AV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

With the Holy Spirit = saved

With fire = judgment

Jesus, by his sacrifice and resurrection is the crux the pivotal point 

if you believe in him you are baptized with the Holy Ghost. If you don't

you are baptized with the fires of hell.

 

[steve morrow]

WELL  SAID???

PHILIPPIANS 2:21  for all seek their own not the things that are  JESUS  CHRISTS

HEBREWS 6:12  that you be not slothful but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises 

 

PROVERBS 3:5 TRUST  IN  THE  LORD  WITH  --ALL  THINE  HEART--  AND  LEAN  --NOT-- UNTO  THINE  OWN  UNDERSTANDING

 

HEBREWS 2:1  THEREFORE  WE OUGHT  TO  GIVE  THE  MORE  EARNEST  HEED  TO  THE  THINGS  WHICH  WE  HAVE  HEARD  LEST  AT  ANY  TIME  WE  SHOULD  LET  THEM  SLIP

 

                                    *******WHAT  DO  YOU  RECEIVE  WHEN  YOU  ARE  BAPTIZED  IN  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST*******

ACTS 2:38  then peter said unto them repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of  JESUS  CHRIST  for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the holy spirit 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the --flesh profiteth nothing-- the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life 

EPHESIANS  2:18  for through  HIM  we both have access by one spirit unto  THE  FATHER

 

ACTS 5:31  HIM  hath  GOD  exalted with  HIS  right hand to be a prince and a saviour for to give repentence to israel and forgiveness of sins 

MARK 1:4  john did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins 

 

JOHN  1:26  john answered them saying I baptize with water but there standeth one among you whom you know not 

JOHN 4:14  but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life 

JOHN 6:68  then simon peter answered  HIM  LORD  to whom shall we go thou hast the words of eternal life 

ISAIAH 12:3  THEREFORE  with joy shall you draw water out of the wells of salvation 

 

1 CORINTHIANS 12:13  for by one spirit are we all baptized into ---ONE  BODY--- whether we be jews or gentiles whether we be bond or free and have been all made to drink into one spirit 

1 PETER 1:23  being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by  THE  WORD  OF  GOD  which liveth and abideth for ever 

JEREMIAH 5:14  wherefore thus saith  THE  LORD  GOD  of hosts because you speak this word behold --I  WILL  MAKE  MY  WORDS  IN  THY  MOUTH  FIRE-- and this people wood and it shall devour them 

1 CORINTHIANS 10:17  for we being many are --ONE  BREAD-- AND  ONE  BODY -- for we are all partakers of that one bread 

JOHN 6:48  I am that bread of life 

 

HEBREWS 6:3  OF  THE  DOCTRINE  OF  BAPTISMS  AND  OF  THE  LAYING  ON OF  HANDS  AND  THE  RESURRECTION  OF  THE  DEAD  AND  OF  ETERNAL JUDGEMENT 

EPHESIANS  4:4  THERE IS --ONE  BODY AND  ONE  SPIRIT-- even as you are called in --ONE  HOPE-- of your calling 

---4:5--- ONE  LORD  ONE  FAITH  ONE  BAPTISM 

 1 CORINTHIANS 1:13  IS  CHRIST  DIVIDED  WAS  PAUL  CRUCIFIED  FOR  YOU  OR  WERE YOU  BAPTIZED  IN  THE  NAME  OF  PAUL

 

MARK 10:38  BUT  JESUS  SAID  UNTO  THEM  YOU  KNOW  NOT  WHAT  YOU  ASK  CAN  YOU  DRINK  OF  THE  CUP  THAT  I  DRINK  OF  AND  BE  BAPTIZED  WITH  THE  BAPTISM  THAT  I  AM  BAPTIZED  WITH 

---10:39-- AND  THEY  SAID  UNTO  HIM  WE  CAN  AND  JESUS  SAID  UNTO  THEM  YOU  SHALL INDEED  DRINK  OF  THE  CUP  THAT  I  DRINK  OF  AND  WITH  THE  BAPTISM  THAT  THAT  I  AM  BAPTIZED *******WITHAL  SHALL  YOU  BE  BAPTIZED*******  

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

[Don19]

On 10/9/2020 at 7:33 PM, JohnD said:

Don19, very well said!

Matthew 3:11 (AV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

With the Holy Spirit = saved

With fire = judgment

Jesus, by his sacrifice and resurrection is the crux the pivotal point 

if you believe in him you are baptized with the Holy Ghost. If you don't

you are baptized with the fires of hell.

 

 

I disagree. I'm aware of this view, and why some hold it, but I think the baptism of fire is Holy Spirit baptism, not hell. It's another way of describing the same thing. Certainly, at Pentecost, it's remarkable that tongues of fire rested on the disciples.

But here's why I think so. Song of Solomon 8:6-7:

⁶ Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

⁷ Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.

 

Holy Spirit baptism is a sealing (2 Cor 1:21-22, Eph 1:13-14). It's a baptism of fire because we are baptized in God's unquenchable love, in His burning jealousy (Deut 4:24, Prov 6:27-35).

Also, Matthew 11:12:

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

When Jesus returns, He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God (1 Cor 15:24). And we are "translated" into the kingdom (Col 1:13), like how God took Enoch (Gen 5:24, Heb 11:5). I believe Jesus is saying in that verse, that our persons are taken by force. The Lord is a Man of war (Exo 15:3). This is the love of God that's revealed to us, that He has sealed us up and forgiven all our sins by the blood of Jesus Christ and now possesses us permanently in His love and jealousy!

Edited November 25, 2020 by Don19