There be GIANTS

[Buddy D. Mouse]

David Jeremiah wrote SLAYING THE GIANTS IN YOUR LIFE - a book and a workbook

His GIANTS can be anything we have trouble with, addiction, temptations, whatever

There be GIANTS all over the place

[Dennis1209]

9 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

1 Enoch was written before Noah's Flood. 

I'm old and my memory ain't what it use to be. My research indicates the pseudepigrapha 1 Enoch was written sometime between the inter-testament period? If I recall correctly, fragments of 1 Enoch were also found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Dr. Heiser confirms the dating? <- notice it's all questions. Then there's the other Enoch pseudepigrapha's I have little knowledge on.

[Dennis1209]

29 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

The Rock Hudson movie was GIANT - singular, also with Liz Taylor in it and James Dean in one of his only 3 movies.

Well at my age, just to remember it does me proud LoL.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'm old and my memory ain't what it use to be. My research indicates the pseudepigrapha 1 Enoch was written sometime between the inter-testament period? If I recall correctly, fragments of 1 Enoch were also found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Dr. Heiser confirms the dating? <- notice it's all questions. Then there's the other Enoch pseudepigrapha's I have little knowledge on.

My memory says the 1 Enoch was written in the 3rd century BC.  If Enoch was written or orally transmitted by the biblical person called Enoch, this is way before Noah's Flood.  So how can he write about something that did not occur until after he was taken up to be with God.

[Dennis1209]

22 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

The Book of Enoch seems to be an expansion of our Genesis 6 account. I used to have it, both Laurence and Charles translations. It is quoted in Jude. It was, may still be - in the Abyssinian Canon.

Enoch seems full of these bad angels that left their first estate - it might have named all 200 of the bad angels - but no one seems clear on which books Enoch includes, Secrets of Enoch, Ethiopian Enoch, 1 Enoch...

Enoch seems to be the first to get raptured. Early Church Fathers proposed that Enoch and Elijah were the 2 witnesses in Revelation, because they never died, and are said to be killed by the Beast, and revive in 3 1/2 days. Other scholars said Moses and Elijah were the 2 witnesses - they both appeared to Jesus together, the miracles of the 2 witnesses seem to match Moses and Elijah - the Enoch and Elijah idea may be tied in to Hebrews 9:27 - Moses actually died, E and E did not.

 

Yep, we're on the same page. It's quite clear the apostles and Jews read and learned other books; and imply, reference and quote from those extra biblical tests. We all know these extra biblical texts are not divinely inspired, and are to be taken as such and not give them the weight of scripture. 

Peter, Jude and others mention and quote from extra biblical texts and books. I cannot say for certainty what there reason was? To compare and relay an idea or thought about something they already knew well? To direct the reader to read for themselves to fill in missing blanks? The Jews certainly knew all about Greek mythology, demi-gods and Mesopotamian literature.

[Dennis1209]

6 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

My memory says the 1 Enoch was written in the 3rd century BC.  If Enoch was written or orally transmitted by the biblical person called Enoch, this is way before Noah's Flood.  So how can he write about something that did not occur until after he was taken up to be with God.

Yep, I'm well aware of that. That's why it's called a pseudepigrapha, the author is unknown, so it was titled for the main character in it [Enoch]. Nothing to see here citizen, move along 

[teddyv]

4 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

There are genealogies from Adam forward.  I haven't taken the time to see where that places Noah in the genealogies.  I'd like to submit a different idea for you to consider and all who read/study Noah's Flood.  Genesis 6:4 tells us the Nephilim survived the flood.  But the Nephilim were not people like Noah.  Nephilim were the offspring of angels and man by way of women.  So the Nephilim survived the flood, at least some of them.  We know from Peter 2:4 that the angels who had sex with human women.  They are not the Nephilim.  But their offspring are the Nephilim and their various descendants.  So how did they survive? 

1. Noah's Flood - was a regional flood, not a global flood.  That allowed some of the Nephilim to escape the regional flood.
2. What happens to the Nephilim when they die?  Someone wrote above that demons didn't appear until after Noah's Flood.  So since Nephilim can die, why didn't the flood kill all the Nephilim?
3. Because Noah's Flood was not global, but regional.

History shows large beings all over the Earth.  Large skeletons have been found, many hidden away by the Smithsonian Institute.  Every society around the world after Noah's Flood have evidence of giants in both their oral and written history.  This is an indisputable fact.

All those big skeletons are hoaxes or photo manipulations.

[teddyv]

5 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

That's revisionist interpretation of history to be politically correct with a liberal interpretation of scripture.

Since everyone is speculating like mad in this thread, I'm not sure why my speculation is any worse that some of the other bizarre stuff being promoted. 

[teddyv]

5 hours ago, Episcopius said:

I think Saved.One.By.Grace is correct there, teddy

Some of us believe if the spies report said there were GIANTS in the area - there were GIANTS in the area.

Caleb and Joshua saw the same things the other 10 spies did - but  felt "we can take 'em"...

And they did - but didn't totally annihilate everyone they were supposed to.

 

Well, I don't agree obviously. Since everything was reportedly wiped out in the Flood, we have others saying that some actually did survive the Flood. I guess I could buy that, since I don't hold to a global Flood. As I said to Saved, I'm not sure why my speculation is somehow liberal or revisionist without further clarification. It's nothing I've particularly read about, just something that came across my mind. Maybe it was just the way I stated it?

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Are we all "speculating like mad"?

I am undecided about the flood being global or regional.

I reject the EUPHEMISM that Ham slept with Noah's wife because of the actions Shem and Japheth did to correct things, and the fact that Ham and Noah's wife were not killed for the action.