There be GIANTS

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Episcopius said:

Are we all "speculating like mad"?

I am undecided about the flood being global or regional.

I reject the EUPHEMISM that Ham slept with Noah's wife because of the actions Shem and Japheth did to correct things, and the fact that Ham and Noah's wife were not killed for the action.

 

Why would their wives need to be killed, my friend?

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Lev 20:11

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

Beats me.

[Marathoner]

20 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

Lev 20:11

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

Beats me.

Noah lived before the Law was given to Moses. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Yep, we're on the same page. It's quite clear the apostles and Jews read and learned other books; and imply, reference and quote from those extra biblical tests. We all know these extra biblical texts are not divinely inspired, and are to be taken as such and not give them the weight of scripture. 

Peter, Jude and others mention and quote from extra biblical texts and books. I cannot say for certainty what there reason was? To compare and relay an idea or thought about something they already knew well? To direct the reader to read for themselves to fill in missing blanks? The Jews certainly knew all about Greek mythology, demi-gods and Mesopotamian literature.

There is also a recent commentary on 1 Enoch which I have but it's not at my fingertips.  When the Canon was collected, some books were added and some were rejected for various reasons.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Episcopius said:

Are we all "speculating like mad"?

I am undecided about the flood being global or regional.

I reject the EUPHEMISM that Ham slept with Noah's wife because of the actions Shem and Japheth did to correct things, and the fact that Ham and Noah's wife were not killed for the action.

The safe position on Noah's Flood is to be undecided.  It avoids a lot of heated arguments.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

All those big skeletons are hoaxes or photo manipulations.

Have you personally examined them?

[Marathoner]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Yep, we're on the same page. It's quite clear the apostles and Jews read and learned other books; and imply, reference and quote from those extra biblical tests. We all know these extra biblical texts are not divinely inspired, and are to be taken as such and not give them the weight of scripture. 

Peter, Jude and others mention and quote from extra biblical texts and books. I cannot say for certainty what there reason was? To compare and relay an idea or thought about something they already knew well? To direct the reader to read for themselves to fill in missing blanks? The Jews certainly knew all about Greek mythology, demi-gods and Mesopotamian literature.

I'm in agreement with you on most points but what follows is a brief compilation of scripture from the New Testament which either quotes from the Book of Enoch, or relates to content therein. Quotes from Enoch are derived from the Ethiopic translation. To save space and avoid a wall of text I'll list verses of scripture which are in agreement with the corresponding text from the Book of Enoch. 

The last passage from Enoch speaks of Christ. 

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Jude 1:14-15
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch 2:1-2
Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
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Enoch 9:2-3
The earth deprived of her children has cried even to the gate of heaven. And now to you, O you holy one of heaven, the souls of men complain, saying, Obtain Justice for us with the Most High. Then they said to their Lord, the King, You are Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings The throne of your glory is for ever and ever, and for ever and ever is your name sanctified and glorified. You are blessed and glorified.

1 Timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:16.
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Enoch 9:9-12
Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity. And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out. And complain even to the gate of heaven. Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.

Revelation 6:9-10, Romans 8:21-23
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Enoch 19:6-7
But you (Angels) from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever. Therefore I made not wives for you, (The Angels) because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.

Matthew 22:29-30
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Enoch 46:1-3
There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was and why he accompanied the Ancient of days. He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.
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Food for thought concerning what is inspired and what isn't.  
 

[Guest]

I have posted two videos (awaiting approval) concerning Ham and Canaan that I believe explain the curse on Canaan instead of Ham.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Episcopius said:

Are we all "speculating like mad"?

I am undecided about the flood being global or regional.

I reject the EUPHEMISM that Ham slept with Noah's wife because of the actions Shem and Japheth did to correct things, and the fact that Ham and Noah's wife were not killed for the action.

This is all explained in the second of two videos I posted on this subject.

[Marathoner]

I've written elsewhere that the canon of our day is the result of purging by men, an outstanding example of this reality demonstrated in the shedding of apocryphal books from the King James Version in 1885. The Septuagint, vilified by some who insist it is a corrupt rendition of the Law and Prophets, is quoted approximately 340 times in New Testament scripture; compare this to 30 quotes from the Masoretic Text.

Does this mean the Masoretic Text is corrupt? Of course not. Nor does this mean that the canon we are familiar with today is lacking but rather, that much has been lost to us over time. The comparisons between the Book of Enoch and New Testament scripture I posted above are but a sample of many such parallels to be found. Remember this:

The scriptures to the Lord and the apostles were different than the scriptures we know today. The majority of the New Testament was circulated to early Christians in the centuries following the Lord's ascension to heaven but bear in mind that our ancestors in the faith were familiar with writings which are lost to us in the present day. Not all of these writings were regarded as scripture but nevertheless they were held in high esteem.