Book of Enoch?

[FrankIeCip]

Just wondering your thoughts on this. Paul referred to it so do you think it’s inspired or not? Thanks, Frank ??

[Jayne]

Where did Paul cite the book of Enoch?  Can you give the verses, please?

There are those here who believe it as truth and believe IN it, but I am not one of them.

There is far too much false teaching, attributing to angels what is not theirs but God's, and gross contradiction to the Bible.  

You will get different opinions.

 

[FrankIeCip]

My mistake. Jude refers to Enoch prophesying the Lord coming with thousands upon thousands of his saints. 
 

I have never read it personally. The Bible alone is all I need. Just thought it might be interesting to some. Some others post about the epistle of Barnabas which I also have never read.

 

Thanks for the reply Jayne. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by FrankIeCip

[Guest]

Source: Book of Enoch

You may find some of the above source helpful.  Jude quotes Enoch in Jude 14-15, and Peter does in 2 Peter 2:4.

[FrankIeCip]

Thank you SOBG. ?
I personally trust the Bible is exactly as God intended it to be. 
I was just interested because of what you stated above. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by FrankIeCip

[Jayne]

9 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Source: Book of Enoch

You may find some of the above source helpful.  Jude quotes Enoch in Jude 14-15, and Peter does in 2 Peter 2:4.

I believe that the actual and real Enoch from Genesis did say the words that Jude said he did.

What I do not believe is that Jude "copied" the author of the book of Enoch - which was NOT the Enoch of the Bible.

I believe that both Jude and the authors of the book of Enoch could have cited oral testimony of the real Enoch from Jewish oral tradition.

There's FAR too much false about the book of Enoch for it to be true.

[Marathoner]

The text from which the Book of Enoch was translated in the modern day existed three centuries before the Word made flesh walked on this earth. Like the Septuagint, the Lord and the apostles were familiar with it. 

[Marathoner]

41 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I believe that the actual and real Enoch from Genesis did say the words that Jude said he did.

What I do not believe is that Jude "copied" the author of the book of Enoch - which was NOT the Enoch of the Bible.

I believe that both Jude and the authors of the book of Enoch could have cited oral testimony of the real Enoch from Jewish oral tradition.

There's FAR too much false about the book of Enoch for it to be true.

The connection between Jude and the Book of Enoch is established because Jude quoted from that book, Jayne. Jude 14-15 is a direct quote and as @Saved.One.by.Grace pointed out, the apostle Peter quoted from the Book of Enoch as well. Will you share what is false about 1 Enoch with us so we might learn what you know?  

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

The connection between Jude and the Book of Enoch is established because Jude quoted from that book, Jayne. Jude 14-15 is a direct quote and as @Saved.One.by.Grace pointed out, the apostle Peter quoted from the Book of Enoch as well. Will you share what is false about 1 Enoch with us so we might learn what you know?  

There are hundreds of second temple literature quotes by the apostles, including 1st Enoch, The Book of the Giants, the War Scroll and others as the Qumran texts show us. Nobody seems to quibble over the other quotes and allusions - maybe they just have not read them..?

Edited November 3, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Marathoner]

Here's a passage from 1 Enoch which others might find interesting. 

Enoch 46:1-3
There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was and why he accompanied the Ancient of days. He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.