Any Apostolic Pentecostals Here?

[Brother Notlad]

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. 

No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. 

[enoob57]

10 minutes ago, Brother Notlad said:

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. 

No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. 

yes I have had many conversation with this ... the Church of Christ also believe baptism is necessary for salvation. The only problem is that God is no respect of person and the thief on the cross was not baptized and yet Jesus promised him heaven... 

[David1701]

27 minutes ago, Brother Notlad said:

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is Bible. 

No baptism in the New Testament was performed any other way. 

Baptism is because of the remission of sins ("for" in that sense) that has already taken place, not in order to obtain the remission of sins.

If water baptism were a condition to be fulfilled, in order to become saved, then salvation would be by works; but the Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

[Brother Notlad]

On 12/1/2020 at 2:18 PM, David1701 said:

Baptism is because of the remission of sins ("for" in that sense) that has already taken place, not in order to obtain the remission of sins.

If water baptism were a condition to be fulfilled, in order to become saved, then salvation would be by works; but the Bible is very clear that salvation is NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

But there is a formula, and scripture is clear that a Christian must be baptized in order to enter Heaven (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, etc). It isn't a "work", as you call it, it is putting on Jesus Christ (Romans 6:1-4). 

[Brother Notlad]

On 12/1/2020 at 2:01 PM, enoob57 said:

yes I have had many conversation with this ... the Church of Christ also believe baptism is necessary for salvation. The only problem is that God is no respect of person and the thief on the cross was not baptized and yet Jesus promised him heaven... 

The thief was taken to Heaven before the necessity of water baptism was put in place. 

[NotAllThere]

1 minute ago, Brother Notlad said:

The thief was taken to Heaven before the necessity of water baptism was put in place. 

Sorry. That's a rationalisation of the text to fit a pre-existing idea. 

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Brother Notlad said:

But there is a formula, and scripture is clear that a Christian must be baptized in order to enter Heaven (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, etc). It isn't a "work", as you call it, it is putting on Jesus Christ (Romans 6:1-4). 

<sigh>

Anything you do, is, by definition, a work.  Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

If you had to be baptised in water, in order to go to heaven, then your salvation would depend upon your own works and the works of other people.  It is complete rubbish!

[Guest kingdombrat]

I believe if you have the opportunity to be [Baptized] you should "do it."   I don't believe it is a hardcore requirement since not just the example of the thief on the cross but deathbed repentance/Salvation many times aren't going to be "Baptized."   And I don't believe God is going to refuse someone on their [deathbed] who gives their life to Him but isn't able to be Baptized.

Edited December 10, 2020 by kingdombrat

[Aimes]

I was raised Apostolic Pentecostal, it's actually what pushed me away from Christ as a child/teenager. I later found our loving and merciful Savior and have been on a journey to un-learn the things taught to me in that denomination, and to learn the truth and beauty found in Christ and His Word. 

Hopefully your experience in that denomination is far better than mine was but sadly I've encountered many who were permanently scarred by the teachings and actions from people in that group. 

[appy]

A good question to ask one's self is; Is your faith in a physical act or in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Whom or what are you trusting for salvation?