Babies Saved!

[Guest theonomist]

His organization just saved a life why do you feel he has to raise the kid and provide medical care? He is only human he cannot do everything their is only so many hours in a day! Why do we who do nothing about abortion critisize people that save babies from childkillers?

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One person is not meant to do it all. That's what we, as Christians, are called to do. Help others.

He is only human. But there are tons more humans to help as well.

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[Homeward]

Thank you, dear, for posting this for us to see. Very heartwarming news.

Life and Liberty Ministries and the people they encounter are indeed in my prayers.

God bless you!

[apothanein kerdos]

ccording to this logic it is the fault of christians that pagans have sex outside marraige and break Gods holy law and it is our duty to pay for the results of their sin! It is much wiser to fight the root of the problem rather than putting a temporary bandaide on the symptoms! But then again inactive christians are famous for throwing stones at active christians to try to make themselves look "spiritual" noidea.gif Their is always plenty of churches more than willing to offer help, this is just a liberal argument used by Godhaters to try to make active christians look bad!

WEll this sure is a hateful response. I'm not sure if calling non-believers "pagans" is the best termonlogy...oh well.

The root of the problem (abortion) is the sin that got them there in the first place. This can be alieved simply by showing the love of Christ to people who do not know any better. Yes, you can stop the murder of a child, but if no action is taken to help the woman who was considering the abortion after the baby has been born, then what has been accomplished? That child may very well grow up in a "pagan" (as you call them) house and end up getting an abortion herself. In other words, you have saved one life only to end the next. You say it is not the Christian's job to pay for the mistake of others? Dear sir, that is what Christianity is founded upon, Christ paying for our mistakes. Helping "sinners" after they have decided not to get an abortion is not putting a bandaide on the problem, it is stitching up a slit artery.

Likewise, what do you consider an "active Christian"? One that sits on a sidewalk and hands out litature? While active in a way, I would dare ask you how it is any more active than the person that takes care of a woman who was going to have an abortion. I dare ask you how a person who takes care of those that cannot take care of themselves is a Godhater or a liberal. If that is your idea of a Godhater or a liberal, then I should hope to be ranked among the worst of them.

It is always wise to murder a baby because of what might happen!

No one advocated that. What was advocated is that even if you save a life, what good is it if you do nothing to continue the protection? Even the good Samaritan didn't just bandage the wounded man and leave him there. He took him to where he could recieve help.

comparing apples to oranges! Totally different subject, we are speaking of murdering babies!

And if we do not reach out to these people with more than "do not kill" we will have empty families with a whole host of other problems. You can stop the murder of a baby, but if you do nothing after this, what has been accomplished?

[Kabowd]

ccording to this logic it is the fault of christians that pagans have sex outside marraige and break Gods holy law and it is our duty to pay for the results of their sin! It is much wiser to fight the root of the problem rather than putting a temporary bandaide on the symptoms! But then again inactive christians are famous for throwing stones at active christians to try to make themselves look "spiritual" noidea.gif Their is always plenty of churches more than willing to offer help, this is just a liberal argument used by Godhaters to try to make active christians look bad!

WEll this sure is a hateful response. I'm not sure if calling non-believers "pagans" is the best termonlogy...oh well.

The root of the problem (abortion) is the sin that got them there in the first place. This can be alieved simply by showing the love of Christ to people who do not know any better. Yes, you can stop the murder of a child, but if no action is taken to help the woman who was considering the abortion after the baby has been born, then what has been accomplished? That child may very well grow up in a "pagan" (as you call them) house and end up getting an abortion herself. In other words, you have saved one life only to end the next. You say it is not the Christian's job to pay for the mistake of others? Dear sir, that is what Christianity is founded upon, Christ paying for our mistakes. Helping "sinners" after they have decided not to get an abortion is not putting a bandaide on the problem, it is stitching up a slit artery.

Likewise, what do you consider an "active Christian"? One that sits on a sidewalk and hands out litature? While active in a way, I would dare ask you how it is any more active than the person that takes care of a woman who was going to have an abortion. I dare ask you how a person who takes care of those that cannot take care of themselves is a Godhater or a liberal. If that is your idea of a Godhater or a liberal, then I should hope to be ranked among the worst of them.

It is always wise to murder a baby because of what might happen!

No one advocated that. What was advocated is that even if you save a life, what good is it if you do nothing to continue the protection? Even the good Samaritan didn't just bandage the wounded man and leave him there. He took him to where he could recieve help.

comparing apples to oranges! Totally different subject, we are speaking of murdering babies!

And if we do not reach out to these people with more than "do not kill" we will have empty families with a whole host of other problems. You can stop the murder of a baby, but if you do nothing after this, what has been accomplished?

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[Guest theonomist]

ccording to this logic it is the fault of christians that pagans have sex outside marraige and break Gods holy law and it is our duty to pay for the results of their sin! It is much wiser to fight the root of the problem rather than putting a temporary bandaide on the symptoms! But then again inactive christians are famous for throwing stones at active christians to try to make themselves look "spiritual" noidea.gif Their is always plenty of churches more than willing to offer help, this is just a liberal argument used by Godhaters to try to make active christians look bad!

WEll this sure is a hateful response. I'm not sure if calling non-believers "pagans" is the best termonlogy...oh well.

The root of the problem (abortion) is the sin that got them there in the first place. This can be alieved simply by showing the love of Christ to people who do not know any better. Yes, you can stop the murder of a child, but if no action is taken to help the woman who was considering the abortion after the baby has been born, then what has been accomplished? That child may very well grow up in a "pagan" (as you call them) house and end up getting an abortion herself. In other words, you have saved one life only to end the next. You say it is not the Christian's job to pay for the mistake of others? Dear sir, that is what Christianity is founded upon, Christ paying for our mistakes. Helping "sinners" after they have decided not to get an abortion is not putting a bandaide on the problem, it is stitching up a slit artery.

Likewise, what do you consider an "active Christian"? One that sits on a sidewalk and hands out litature? While active in a way, I would dare ask you how it is any more active than the person that takes care of a woman who was going to have an abortion. I dare ask you how a person who takes care of those that cannot take care of themselves is a Godhater or a liberal. If that is your idea of a Godhater or a liberal, then I should hope to be ranked among the worst of them.

It is always wise to murder a baby because of what might happen!

No one advocated that. What was advocated is that even if you save a life, what good is it if you do nothing to continue the protection? Even the good Samaritan didn't just bandage the wounded man and leave him there. He took him to where he could recieve help.

comparing apples to oranges! Totally different subject, we are speaking of murdering babies!

And if we do not reach out to these people with more than "do not kill" we will have empty families with a whole host of other problems. You can stop the murder of a baby, but if you do nothing after this, what has been accomplished?

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WEll this sure is a hateful response.

No I am defending pro-lifers from critical attackes by people who act "spiritial" but do nothing!

I'm not sure if calling non-believers "pagans" is the best termonlogy...oh well.

In the case of this topic we can describe them truthfully as childkillers

The root of the problem (abortion) is the sin that got them there in the first place. This can be alieved simply by showing the love of Christ to people who do not know any better

You got it all figured out dont you, now you are accusing pro-lifers of not showing the love of christ, I am sure they will be joyfull about that!

Yes, you can stop the murder of a child, but if no action is taken to help the woman who was considering the abortion after the baby has been born, then what has been accomplished?

Pro-lifers do all these things who are you to accuse them? Are you out on the street getting involved or just sitting back on the sidelines making yourself look "spiritual" casting stones?

That child may very well grow up in a "pagan" (as you call them) house and end up getting an abortion herself. In other words, you have saved one life only to end the next

You are right lets not save the life in the first place, lets just sit back and critisize pro-lifers!

You say it is not the Christian's job to pay for the mistake of others? Dear sir, that is what Christianity is founded upon, Christ paying for our mistakes. Helping "sinners" after they have decided not to get an abortion is not putting a bandaide on the problem, it is stitching up a slit artery.

Have you done this personally? Since you have it all figured out! Some people are called to a mercy ministry, others are called to a more aggressive reformed ministry!

I would dare ask you how it is any more active than the person that takes care of a woman who was going to have an abortion.

I have a problem with the fact you are critisizing active pro-lifers, I have no problem with anyone who is called to a mercy ministry. Your ad-hominums may work on the uninformed but they will not work on me!

What was advocated is that even if you save a life, what good is it

It is a baby created in the image of God!

Even the good Samaritan didn't just bandage the wounded man and leave him there. He took him to where he could recieve help.

Again what are you doing about abortion besides critisizing the people that dedicate their lives trying to do something!

And if we do not reach out to these people with more than "do not kill" we will have empty families with a whole host of other problems. You can stop the murder of a baby, but if you do nothing after this, what has been accomplished?

What are you doing better that the pro-lifers? Edited August 4, 2005 by theonomist

[Work in Progress]

No I am defending pro-lifers from critical attackes by people who act "spiritial" but do nothing!

That's the third time you've accused Mikado of "doing nothing". You have no knowledge of what he does or does not do regarding the abortion issue and no right to judge him so harshly. And he isn't "acting Spiritually", he's giving his thoughts and opinions, same as you are.

You yourself lamented that "you wished you could do more". How would you feel if you were judged as harshly as you judge and someone said to you - "That's just an excuse, it's a life or death matter, stop wishing, stop "acting Spiritually" and DO". ?? You wouldn't like it, so please consider the feelings of the poster you keep slamming and falsely accusing. Mikado made a very good point that getting them to turn from the abortion is only the beginning and not the WHOLE. If, the next day, that girl realizes that she has no income and no money to pay medical costs, and/or no family to support her and will be out on the street, then she will turn around and head right back to the abortion mill to solve her problem. The REALITY will hit her after the EMOTION from a few tracts has worn off.

Kudos to anyone who is reaching women at the abortion mills. I applaud them. I've done that work many, many times so I know what it is like. Mikado was only saying that we must be diligent not to let it stop there, or we are neglecting the whole of the ministry.

[Kabowd]

Sidenote: learning to use the quote feature does wonders for communication.

[Guest theonomist]

No I am defending pro-lifers from critical attackes by people who act "spiritial" but do nothing!

That's the third time you've accused Mikado of "doing nothing". You have no knowledge of what he does or does not do regarding the abortion issue and no right to judge him so harshly. And he isn't "acting Spiritually", he's giving his thoughts and opinions, same as you are.

You yourself lamented that "you wished you could do more". How would you feel if you were judged as harshly as you judge and someone said to you - "That's just an excuse, it's a life or death matter, stop wishing, stop "acting Spiritually" and DO". ?? You wouldn't like it, so please consider the feelings of the poster you keep slamming and falsely accusing. Mikado made a very good point that getting them to turn from the abortion is only the beginning and not the WHOLE. If, the next day, that girl realizes that she has no income and no money to pay medical costs, and/or no family to support her and will be out on the street, then she will turn around and head right back to the abortion mill to solve her problem. The REALITY will hit her after the EMOTION from a few tracts has worn off.

Kudos to anyone who is reaching women at the abortion mills. I applaud them. I've done that work many, many times so I know what it is like. Mikado was only saying that we must be diligent not to let it stop there, or we are neglecting the whole of the ministry.

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That's the third time you've accused Mikado of "doing nothing".  You have no knowledge of what he does or does not do regarding the abortion issue and no right to judge him so harshly. And he isn't "acting Spiritually", he's giving his thoughts and opinions, same as you are.

Yes I have the right to defend pro-lifers and I will! I garantee you if this guy was a pro-lifer he would not accuse other pro-lifers of not doing enough after experiencing the discouragement that is involved in this line of work! He put his foot in his mouth and now he needs a women to come to his rescue!

You yourself lamented that "you wished you could do more".

We all wish we could do more, if we did not we would be wrong!

How would you feel if you were judged as harshly as you judge

Be my guest judge away!

and someone said to you - "That's just an excuse, it's a life or death matter, stop wishing, stop "acting Spiritually"  and DO". ??

Faith without action is dead! This guy that has all the answers is accussing pro-lifers of not doing enough. He sure can dish it out! What is he doing tell, me since you are his lawyer?

Mikado made a very good point that getting them to turn from the abortion is only the beginning and not the WHOLE. If, the next day, that girl realizes that she has no income and no money to pay medical costs, and/or no family to support her and will be out on the street, then she will turn around and head right back to the abortion mill to solve her problem. The REALITY will hit her after the EMOTION from a few tracts has worn off.

I suppose this sums up every single case of abortion? I suppose all childkillers are the victims and none of them have lived an immoral lifestyle looking for an easy way out?

Mikado was only saying that we must be diligent not to let it stop there, or we are neglecting the whole of the ministry.

WRONG he was accusing pro-lifers of not doing enough, so I have the God given right to ask him what he is doing! I have freinds that have gotton locked up for shutting down abortion mills and saving many preborn, I will defend them from accusers "acting spiritual". UNAPOLOGETICALLY!

[Trust & Obey]

1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

I don't think everyone must do every job in a given ministry. I think being used of God in the saving of an innocent life is a wonderful thing. I don't see why this good thing is being lessened here.

[Kabowd]

No I am defending pro-lifers from critical attackes by people who act "spiritial" but do nothing!

That's the third time you've accused Mikado of "doing nothing". You have no knowledge of what he does or does not do regarding the abortion issue and no right to judge him so harshly. And he isn't "acting Spiritually", he's giving his thoughts and opinions, same as you are.

You yourself lamented that "you wished you could do more". How would you feel if you were judged as harshly as you judge and someone said to you - "That's just an excuse, it's a life or death matter, stop wishing, stop "acting Spiritually" and DO". ?? You wouldn't like it, so please consider the feelings of the poster you keep slamming and falsely accusing. Mikado made a very good point that getting them to turn from the abortion is only the beginning and not the WHOLE. If, the next day, that girl realizes that she has no income and no money to pay medical costs, and/or no family to support her and will be out on the street, then she will turn around and head right back to the abortion mill to solve her problem. The REALITY will hit her after the EMOTION from a few tracts has worn off.

Kudos to anyone who is reaching women at the abortion mills. I applaud them. I've done that work many, many times so I know what it is like. Mikado was only saying that we must be diligent not to let it stop there, or we are neglecting the whole of the ministry.

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That's the third time you've accused Mikado of "doing nothing".  You have no knowledge of what he does or does not do regarding the abortion issue and no right to judge him so harshly. And he isn't "acting Spiritually", he's giving his thoughts and opinions, same as you are.

Yes I have the right to defend pro-lifers and I will! I garantee you if this guy was a pro-lifer he would not accuse other pro-lifers of not doing enough after experiencing the discouragement that is involved in this line of work! He put his foot in his mouth and now he needs a women to come to his rescue!

You yourself lamented that "you wished you could do more".

We all wish we could do more, if we did not we would be wrong!

How would you feel if you were judged as harshly as you judge

Be my guest judge away!

and someone said to you - "That's just an excuse, it's a life or death matter, stop wishing, stop "acting Spiritually"  and DO". ??

Faith without action is dead! This guy that has all the answers is accussing pro-lifers of not doing enough. He sure can dish it out! What is he doing tell, me since you are his lawyer?

Mikado made a very good point that getting them to turn from the abortion is only the beginning and not the WHOLE. If, the next day, that girl realizes that she has no income and no money to pay medical costs, and/or no family to support her and will be out on the street, then she will turn around and head right back to the abortion mill to solve her problem. The REALITY will hit her after the EMOTION from a few tracts has worn off.

I suppose this sums up every single case of abortion? I suppose all childkillers are the victims and none of them have lived an immoral lifestyle looking for an easy way out?

Mikado was only saying that we must be diligent not to let it stop there, or we are neglecting the whole of the ministry.

WRONG he was accusing pro-lifers of not doing enough, so I have the God given right to ask him what he is doing! I have freinds that have gotton locked up for shutting down abortion mills and saving many preborn, I will defend them from accusers "acting spiritual". UNAPOLOGETICALLY!

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If your attitude towards "childkillers" is anything like your attitude towards fellow believers here, I sincerely doubt you've been "reaching" anyone at all.