Genesis 2:8

[Your closest friendnt]

6 minutes ago, Josheb said:

It is my practice anytime I find a breakdown in discourse occurs to ask for repair and provide two or three occasions for that to happen before I vacate exchanges with that poster. I do this based on scriptures such a Ecclesiastes 7:8-9, Ephesians 4:2, and Titus 3:9-11 

You've had your three. 

If you are not satisfied with the answer as it is in Genesis 2:8

The Lord God place the Man he had created in the Garden , in that context we have "one" it is given in the scripture, a no brainer answer. 

What is your answer to your question, you must have an answer to say I am not satisfied with your input or if you do not then you must give the reasons and make your argument why you thing that the answer cannot be the one, to create a discussion on your argument. Why don't you do that.

Just fold your cards and go, leaving behind unfinished matters. 

Why then make questions if you intent to quit and not pressure for establishing the answer, you puzzled me and everyone else. 

Please give your answer to questions or the reasons why you think the answer is not the one.

[Frits]

54 minutes ago, clancy said:

This is very insightful,Frits...who were the 2 sons in Eden?

What about Eve?..she was made from the rib of Adam?

Hi Clancy,

One of the two sons of God was Adam, a tangible flesh and blood human, and very visible in Eden.

The oldest and stronger son of God was satan, an evil spirit and invisible to the natural eyes of Adam and Eve in Eden.

This devil used a serpent to approach Eve and Adam in the garden sensory, drawing their attention to the desirable forbidden fruit!

Yes, Eve was formed by God from a rib of Adam. (Gen.2:22)
"Bone of his bones, and flesh of his flesh."

God bless.

[Guest clancy]

Is the tree of life, God’s life giving presence?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Frits said:

Hi Ycf,

God created Adam and Eve, as described in Genesis 1 and 2.
Adam, with a physical body formed from the earth and conceived with a soul and spirit from God Himself, is the son of God. (Lk.3:38)

 

One thing at a time. 

Genesis 2:7

7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,and the man became a living being.

Earlier he said that created man in his own image. And in another part earlier said, in our image.

(Plural)

Above in your post you indroduce other things that are not talk in Genesis.

 It's not whether they are correct or not, the discussion is not centre about those issues but about Adam being the son of God. 

Which is ovious, God was his Father, with a flag of caution.  

That's what we need to discuss and go to the next issue. It's not about the other creation who are not human beings. 

It's only about man.

So I will make the start my self.

When God (without giving definitions of "God" who also is referred as the Lord God.

At this time we do not define the God the Creator with the knowledge of the new testament, which came later on. 

So your comments of "conceived with a soul and Spirit from God" are not in Genesis and you introduce them as a surplus to the scripture, it is not whether they are truth or not, we do not found them in that part of scripture. 

Besides the fact that Adam was not conceived in the  same way we are conceived and in similar fashion but not the same Jesus Christ was conceived. 

As we are having an earthly Father and Jesus Christ did not have an earthly Father.

But we have the same experience as Jesus Christ who experience life in the womb for nine months in the same way we do atouched in a biblical chord just like any other human being but not all.

Adam did not have that experience and so was for Eve.

They did not have a mother and they were not care and fed by a mother.

When Adam open his eyes God was there, at the list.

When Eve open her eyes Adam was there. 

Only Adam can call him Father.

And Eve ? How Eve call him, 

Eve got her life from Adam, but both had the Life of God they were his children.

God did not have a human body like them, but they share in his Life. That what we can tell without a doubt that they were partakers of his life. They were alive unto him. 

They had the bond of Life but not the bond of Adam and Eve had for one another being both humans.

Their Father did not have a body, he was a Spiritual being, not an Angelic being.

Man is a living soul, the Spirit man lives in his body, who will continue to live without the body when his body will stop factioning, or die. 

When Adam and Eve disobeyed the commandment of their Father. God lost them, God became childless. 

Someone was celebrating the one who took the first couple and had rights in their offsprings. 

At that no human being was born unto God. 

While they lived they God was still their God and he looked after them till the time when they died.

Then someone else came to take them. 

The children were born to someone else but while they lived they could have God as their God and only for this life, not in the other life. 

Till the change came. The first time a partial change with Abraham and Later on a complete and secured change with Jesus Christ.  

Hope someone has questions to ask. 

To remain silent is not a sign of disagreement, but it includes other issues as to why someone disagrees and remains silent. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Who (or what) what is the tree of life, Frist? 

 

IN the gospels Jesus speaks of two fathers: God and satan. Satan is the father of lies. If we accept the position being asserted then logically God is the Father of the father of lies. That is a problem. It is a problem rationally, theologically, and practically. 

Does what I just posted make sense? If so then what do you do with it given your comments here in this discussion? 

 

 

Please do not ignore the first question of this post. It is the more important of the two. 

Who (or what) is the tree of life?

I post this as a reminder and not as a prohibition, hope that I did not have to spell it and you can figure it out your self.

Is this a new subject or related to the OP? 

PS

Hope you do not say "is non of your business " .

Because is just a question to look forwards to and not an accusation, only an inquiry for clarification to expect to see how it will connect to the OP.

Without prejudice 

[Frits]

10 hours ago, Josheb said:

Who (or what) what is the tree of life, Frist? 

 

IN the gospels Jesus speaks of two fathers: God and satan. Satan is the father of lies. If we accept the position being asserted then logically God is the Father of the father of lies. That is a problem. It is a problem rationally, theologically, and practically. 

Does what I just posted make sense? If so then what do you do with it given your comments here in this discussion? 

 

 

Please do not ignore the first question of this post. It is the more important of the two. 

Who (or what) is the tree of life?

God is indeed the Father of the father of lies. That's not a problem, neither rationally, nor theologically, nor practically.
Or don't you know a father whose son went off the rails and became a criminal?
For initially, when God the Father created the angel Lucifer, the following could be said about this mighty angel:

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." (Ez.28:13-15)

God created all angels, and all of these spirits have the freedom to make their own choices.
With that, no lie comes from God the Father, but His son Lucifer was the first angel to bring forth the lie and took the initiative to let go of God's truth, and became satan!
Because the lie originated in satan and he wants to impregnate the people with it, he is rightly called by the Lord Jesus the father of lies.
When people lie, they have intercourse with the devil!  With their words they then "bring forth" iniquity, that is, they bring out the lies from the concealment of their hearts.

Ps.7:14 KJV
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

In the midst of the Garden of Eden the Tree of Life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Gen.2:9)
These two trees represented the reality of heaven on Earth:
The Tree of Life is the Holy Spirit of God, and whoever eats thereof will live forever.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the devil, who knew the good of God but produced sin in itself and death through sin.

After the fall of the first human couple, access to God's eternal Life was immediately closed! (Gen.3:22-24)
That Way to God the Father was opened again by the Lord Jesus Christ, hallelujah!
He, Jesus Christ is thus the heavenly Tree of Life that stands in the middle of the Paradise of God. He will give to the believer who by His grace overcomes the evil one, to eat of the Tree of Life. (Rev.2:7)
Whoever eats His Word will bear fruit and live for all eternity. (Jh.6:51) Praise His holy Name.

Edited March 6, 2021 by Frits

[Frits]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

There was a third son in the garden and that son is both a heavenly and earthly son.

As the Word of God, the Lord Jesus was as God from eternity with God the Father.  All things were made by the Word of God, including the Garden of Eden. (Jh.1-4)
That's why, for example, the Lord Jesus could say before Abraham was, I am.
But God's Word only became flesh and was born as the Son of Man and the Son of God, when He was to be called Jesus. (Mt.1:21)
The Lord Jesus did not become the Only Begotten Son of God in the Garden of Eden, but through the body of Mary.

All of this was known in God's mind before the foundation of the world, but was not revealed and performed until Jesus' birth.

1Pe 1:20 KJV Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

 

Revelation 22:1-2, 14
"Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,  in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations... Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city." 

This tree is not the tree of Life mention in the Garden. 

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Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. Adam and Eve were flesh and blood, corruptible, and mortal.

Jesus is the resurrection and the life and no one may come to the Father but by him.

 

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There was a third son in the garden and that son is both a heavenly and earthly son. 

Do you have scripture for that? 

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1 Corinthians 15:45-49
"Thus it is written, 'The first man Adam became a living being;' the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.  The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.  As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.  Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven." 

We have borne the image of the man of dust but we also bear the image of the man of heaven. So any view of the two types that holds them to be mutually exclusive of one another is incorrect. We are both, just as Christ before us was both. 

John 1:12-14
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,  who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.  And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us...."

Philippians 2:5-8
"...Christ Jesus,  who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,  but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.  Being found in appearance as a man..."

All of it foreknown before the creation of the world (1 Pet. 1:20). 

 

What happened to the tree of Life in the Garden, what good it is if no one can get to it?

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Frits said:

God is indeed the Father of the father of lies. That's not a problem, neither rationally, nor theologically, nor practically.
Or don't you know a father whose son went off the rails and became a criminal?
For initially, when God the Father created the angel Lucifer, the following could be said about this mighty angel:

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." (Ez.28:13-15)

God created all angels, and all of these spirits have the freedom to make their own choices.
With that, no lie comes from God the Father, but His son Lucifer was the first angel to bring forth the lie and took the initiative to let go of God's truth, and became satan!
Because the lie originated in satan and he wants to impregnate the people with it, he is rightly called by the Lord Jesus the father of lies.
When people lie, they have intercourse with the devil!  With their words they then "bring forth" iniquity, that is, they bring out the lies from the concealment of their hearts.

Ps.7:14 KJV
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

In the midst of the Garden of Eden the Tree of Life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Gen.2:9)
These two trees represented the reality of heaven on Earth:
The Tree of Life is the Holy Spirit of God, and whoever eats thereof will live forever.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the devil, who knew the good of God but produced sin in itself and death through sin.

After the fall of the first human couple, access to God's eternal Life was immediately closed! (Gen.3:22-24)
That Way to God the Father was opened again by the Lord Jesus Christ, hallelujah!
He, Jesus Christ is thus the heavenly Tree of Life that stands in the middle of the Paradise of God. He will give to the believer who by His grace overcomes the evil one, to eat of the Tree of Life. (Rev.2:7)
Whoever eats His Word will bear fruit and live for all eternity. (Jh.6:51) Praise His holy Name.

Brother Frits, do you believe there was a tree in the Garden call the "tree of Life "?

Do you believe Satan was the son of God?

Edited March 6, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

There is something I want to ask you about Adam.

How old was Adam when God  breath into his nostrils and he became a living soul?