We Can't Eat Anything We Want and Prayer Over It Right?

[Hopefully]

@Bro.Tan “If you hurt the faith of your brother or sister because of something you eat, you are not really following the way of love. Don’t destroy anyone’s faith by eating something they think is wrong. Christ died for them. Don’t allow what is good for you to become something they say is evil. In God’s kingdom, what we eat and drink is not important. Here is what is important: a right way of life, peace, and joy—all from the Holy Spirit. Whoever serves Christ by living this way is pleasing God, and they will be accepted by others. So let’s try as hard as we can to do what will bring peace. Let’s do whatever will help each other grow stronger in faith. Don’t let the eating of food destroy the work of God. All food is right to eat, but it is wrong for anyone to eat something that hurts the faith of another person. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else that hurts the faith of your brother or sister. You should keep your beliefs about these things a secret between yourself and God. It is a blessing to be able to do what you think is right without feeling guilty. But anyone who eats something without being sure it is right is doing wrong. That is because they did not believe it was right. And if you do anything that you believe is not right, it is sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:15-23‬ ‭
 

with this being said I do not eat things people find offensive in front of them knowing they find it offensive. I have absolutely no problem with this and have done it before. 

[Hopefully]

“So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow. You died with Christ and were made free from the powers that influence this world. So why do you act as if you still belong to the world? I mean, why do you follow rules like these: “Don’t eat this,” “Don’t taste that,” “Don’t touch that”? These rules are talking about earthly things that are gone after they are used. They are only human commands and teachings. These rules may seem to be wise as part of a made-up religion in which people pretend to be humble and punish their bodies. But they don’t help people stop doing the evil that the sinful self wants to do.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-23‬ ‭
 

@Bro.Tan what are your thoughts about this?

[Bro.Tan]

On 12/15/2020 at 5:11 AM, Hopefully said:

@Bro.Tan “If you hurt the faith of your brother or sister because of something you eat, you are not really following the way of love. Don’t destroy anyone’s faith by eating something they think is wrong. Christ died for them. Don’t allow what is good for you to become something they say is evil. In God’s kingdom, what we eat and drink is not important. Here is what is important: a right way of life, peace, and joy—all from the Holy Spirit. Whoever serves Christ by living this way is pleasing God, and they will be accepted by others. So let’s try as hard as we can to do what will bring peace. Let’s do whatever will help each other grow stronger in faith. Don’t let the eating of food destroy the work of God. All food is right to eat, but it is wrong for anyone to eat something that hurts the faith of another person. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else that hurts the faith of your brother or sister. You should keep your beliefs about these things a secret between yourself and God. It is a blessing to be able to do what you think is right without feeling guilty. But anyone who eats something without being sure it is right is doing wrong. That is because they did not believe it was right. And if you do anything that you believe is not right, it is sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:15-23‬ ‭
 

with this being said I do not eat things people find offensive in front of them knowing they find it offensive. I have absolutely no problem with this and have done it before. 

Let's take another a look at Romans the 14th chapter. Let's see if this chapter is actually giving us permission to eat anything that moves or is meat and drink used as illustrating tool to make a point. 

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. (Romans 14:1) 

He that is weak in the faith? Hmm? How's an individuals faith increase? Take note; 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)

Therefore by hearing the word of God our faith will be established; and if we believe, we will do what the Lord requires us to do. So, the individual in Romans the 14th chapter at the first verse which is weak in the "faith" is a babe in the Doctrine of the Lord. Also in that first verse Paul also states, "receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." In other words, accept this brother or sister but, do not agree with their uncertain arguments. Meaning, if this individual, who is weak in the faith hasn't obtained the correct concept of a particular scripture or verse, correct them, do not agree if they are incorrect. 

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. (Romans 14: 2-3) 

Is this literal food? Or is the Apostle Paul giving us an example? Let's skip to the 15th verse. 

But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. (Romans 14:15) 

Sisters and brothers, how can an individual grieve or destroy another with his or her meat? What does Paul mean by, "Now walkest thou not charitably?" What is charity? The love of mankind correct? What is love according to the Word of God? Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:10). Therefore if you walk not in the Law of God, and preach the Law of God, you can destroy and individual with your knowledge of the word. In other words practice what you preach. 

Take a look at what Paul says in the 5th chapter of Hebrews.

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Hebrews 5:12-14) 

In Romans the 14th chapter Paul was not referring to literal food at all. He was simply using food for an example. Now, let's return to Romans the 14th chapter and see that he was in fact talking about the word of righteousness instead of literal food. 

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. (Romans 14:17) 

Now we see that Paul was simply talking about the doctrine of God using food as a form of instructions. We did not see one verse that stated, "Thus sayeth the Lord, I have changed my mind, you can eat whatever you desire, by the way, just pray over it." 

[Bro.Tan]

14 hours ago, Hopefully said:

“So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow. You died with Christ and were made free from the powers that influence this world. So why do you act as if you still belong to the world? I mean, why do you follow rules like these: “Don’t eat this,” “Don’t taste that,” “Don’t touch that”? These rules are talking about earthly things that are gone after they are used. They are only human commands and teachings. These rules may seem to be wise as part of a made-up religion in which people pretend to be humble and punish their bodies. But they don’t help people stop doing the evil that the sinful self wants to do.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-23‬ ‭
 

@Bro.Tan what are your thoughts about this?

In the Leviticus, 23^rd Chapter the sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast day are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who does not keep these feast day of the Lord. If they were judging them on those High and Holydays, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16

Paul and the apostles kept these day and taught the Gentile as well. Let's take at one in Acts 18: 18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow. 19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. 20 When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; 21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

If the beast is regarded as an abomination and is eaten it becomes sin. And what is sin? (Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). And, when sin is finished it brings forth death. So, how can an individual pray over something that is unclean? They cannot. Why? (He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9).

A prayer of a sinner is an abomination to the Lord. Some might say, "come on, the Lord wouldn't put a person in the lake of fire for eating swine's flesh (pork). TAKE GOOD HEED TO THESE NEXT SET OF SCRIPTURES!

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed. 

Just in case we have forgotten who this Lord is, let us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus that Isaiah is referring to and not the Father. 

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9) 

Note what the eighth verse states, "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God." Paul was quoting Isaiah the 66th chapter and the 15th verse, where it states, "For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire." These individuals that receive the Lord's vengeance know Him not and obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The dietary law is part of the commandments. 

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

We must understand brothers and sisters there is no degree of sin. If we break one of the laws, we break them all, and the sentence for transgressing the Lord's laws is death. What we must do is keep ourselves from willful sin. Let us take a look at Noah for a moment. Take a look at this verse in Genesis the 9th chapter and the 3rd verse.

Some one might say, "see we can eat anything that our heart's desire." Let us reason together brothers and sisters. Who wrote the book of Genesis? Moses, when he was moved by the Holy Spirit, correct? Who wrote Leviticus the 11th chapter? Moses! So, everything that was created to be received shall be eaten. Let us back up to the 7th chapter of Genesis. When I first laid eyes on these two verses, I was amazed how even the simplest thing in the word of God is hidden to those that do not read His book. Take a look at this.

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. (Genesis 7:1-2)

Here we see the dietary law being instituted. Here we see the difference in clean and unclean being shown seven chapters from the beginning of the book. So, this lets us know that the dietary law was brought into being along side the Royal law (commandments) even before Abraham came on the scene.

Paul says in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. That was Jesus given Moses the Laws; Commandments, Statutes, and Judgement to write to the people.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 12/25/2020 at 2:18 PM, Bro.Tan said:

We must understand brothers and sisters there is no degree of sin. If we break one of the laws, we break them all

Do you wear ribbons of blue? Are you sure to never wear mixed fabric?
Do you have the law on your hands in some way? Do you have it on your door post?
Do you sacrifice a spotless lamb, in the temple, in Jerusalem, on the appropriate day?

 

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law,
I am not come to destroy but to fulfill...
whosoever therefore will break one of the least of the laws commands,
and shall teach men so, shall be called least, IN the kingdom of heaven,
but whoever will do and teach them, shall be called great IN the kingdom of heaven."

But you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven unless your righteousness
exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees.. (their righteousness was only external, all His teachings are mainly about the internal state of mind, He taught that that is the point of the Torah, the renewing of your mind)  Matthew 5:17-20

"..In conclusion, Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do you even so to them, for this is the law and the prophets" Matthew 7:12

"this is my command, that you love one another" John 15:12

 

It's good news, we need not worry about the ritualistic aspects of the Torah,
what matters is faith that demonstrates itself by sincere love.

"For he that loves another has fulfilled the law,
for this; thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultery...
and if there be any other command it is summed up in this saying, namely;
thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Romans 13:8-10.

 

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It is good to abstain from meats from time to time, many health problems in modern times have stemmed from bad meat, and the over eating of bad meat.

Surely keeping the dietary laws in the Bible would only make one healthy.
It is good and healthy to fast from time to time, and what better time than those defined in the Bible.

And the apostles did instruct us to not eat things with blood in it, and to not eat things offered to idols. Acts 15:29

The Holy Spirit will guide us to all personal dietary truth such that our bodies
are not severely damaged.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam

[DignifiedResponse]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Do you wear ribbons of blue? Are you sure to never wear mixed fabric?
Do you have the law on your hands in some way? Do you have it on your door post?
Do you sacrifice a spotless lamb, in the temple, in Jerusalem, on the appropriate day?

Hello MANY LIES iXiPOSED (you do know that writing backwards is an occult thing?, just consider Aleister Crowley, in his Thelema, like Microsoft's Xobni [InBox], Michael Jackson's "back sliding", etc  For it normally requires mirrors which spiritualists love to use, just like Michael Jackson)

Jesus said:

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

For instance, sacrifices:

Psa_51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

 

Psa_107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

 

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

Heb_13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Why?

Heb_13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Circumcision still applies:

Deu_10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deu_30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jer_4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

For instance:
 

Lev_21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

This law still exists. It will be executed even:

 

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

 

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

For that false system claims to be a daughter of the High Priest Jesus.

Another example:

 

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

This law still exists and to be kept, yet notice:

 

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

Thus what Jesus said was/is true, even now.

Even the Stone the Sabbath breaker still applies

The Law of Tithe still applies, see Hebrews 7; 1 Corinthians 9 &c.

The Law of Clean/Unclean still apples, see Matthew 23; Luke 11; Acts 10, 15, Revelation 18, etc.

The spiritual Law of the Ten Commandments, still and always will, apply, see Romans 7:7; James 1-2; 1 John; Revelation 14, 22; &c.

The blue is merely symbolic for God's Law.

The mixture is the natural which explains the spiritual, do not be "lukewarm" (as linen was for warm, and wool for cool), see 1 Corinthians 15:46.

Doorpost is the heart, which is where Jesus is knocking.  See Revelation.

Our Jerusalem is New Jerusalem above.

Our Passover is Christ Jesus, as Paul says, therefore "Let us keep the feast" (not as in type, but in antitype).

The Law is written upon the forehead/hand, which means heart/actions.  It never meant literally write in/on your flesh, or wear it externally.

Edited December 28, 2020 by DignifiedResponse

[Bro.Tan]

9 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Do you wear ribbons of blue? Are you sure to never wear mixed fabric?
Do you have the law on your hands in some way? Do you have it on your door post?
Do you sacrifice a spotless lamb, in the temple, in Jerusalem, on the appropriate day?

Paul says in   Hebrews 8:10   For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 

 

 

Quote

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law,
I am not come to destroy but to fulfill...
whosoever therefore will break one of the least of the laws commands,
and shall teach men so, shall be called least, IN the kingdom of heaven,
but whoever will do and teach them, shall be called great IN the kingdom of heaven."

But you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven unless your righteousness
exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees.. (their righteousness was only external, all His teachings are mainly about the internal state of mind, He taught that that is the point of the Torah, the renewing of your mind)  Matthew 5:17-20

"..In conclusion, Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do you even so to them, for this is the law and the prophets" Matthew 7:12

"this is my command, that you love one another" John 15:12

 

It's good news, we need not worry about the ritualistic aspects of the Torah,
what matters is faith that demonstrates itself by sincere love.

"For he that loves another has fulfilled the law,
for this; thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultery...
and if there be any other command it is summed up in this saying, namely;
thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Romans 13:8-10.

 

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It is good to abstain from meats from time to time, many health problems in modern times have stemmed from bad meat, and the over eating of bad meat.

Surely keeping the dietary laws in the Bible would only make one healthy.
It is good and healthy to fast from time to time, and what better time than those defined in the Bible.

And the apostles did instruct us to not eat things with blood in it, and to not eat things offered to idols. Acts 15:29

The Holy Spirit will guide us to all personal dietary truth such that our bodies
are not severely damaged.

Also Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. What you are saying is truth, but understand that God is the one who dictates what animal we should eat and fish, etc.  God don't do thing in vain, remember that. In the scriptures its written in   Jeremiah 8:8   How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 12/28/2020 at 4:31 PM, Bro.Tan said:

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Those who believe the Messiah do, literally, have the whole entire law in their mind.

For; "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them,
for this is the law and the prophets" Matthew 7:12

And thereby He is the literal messenger of the covenant, those heeding His words are under the renewed covenant, literally. 

 

"The first covenant had ordinances... which stood only in meats and drinks,
and various washings, and cardinal ordinances..." Hebrews 9:1-10

"But Christ...." Hebrews 9:11 through 10:24

Therefore we are not to sin against Christ Hebrews 10:24-29

We believe Christ, [Matthew 7:12] we have faith in Christ.

 

Thereby we understand the ordinances are not important,
what Christ taught is important.