Can the definition of a soul found in Genesis 2:7 maintain its integrity throughout the Scriptures?

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Frits said:

Hi bro,

No, at the second coming of the Lord Jesus we will not regain our innocence. Because on that day the Lord God 'will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained' (Act.17: 31)

Frits, sorry for the confusion- my two questions to Michael were for him to answer—- meaning his claim that is was “innocence” which was lost ...

1 minute ago, Frits said:

No, even by Pentecost not one person has regained his righteousness.

Agreed, same answer above.

1 minute ago, Frits said:

Neither through Pentecost nor through the second coming of the Lord Jesus does a man regain his righteousness, that only happens through one exclusive fact of salvation: accepting the reconciliation with God the Father through the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ for our sins. (Rm.5:1)

So right! We can not do anything for our salvation... we have no righteousness . Only His Grace and faith in Him is how we may be with Him.

1 minute ago, Frits said:

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Once the voice of the Lord God was heard loudly: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness'. I think all the angels heard His voice then.
Adam was created by God and from God's rich grace received a body and a soul, and a spirit to preserve this independent life.

Well, I am sorry I have to disagree here Frits... as much as I dislike to...

I believe 2:7 tells us He created us with a body and spirit he breath of air. This BECAME a “living soul”. Two parts- but my opinion is that this “breathing into Adam by God” could not be “just air” - If He was going to make Adam in His image, I don’t believe He ONLY imparted air into Adam. 

If God made such a personal touch, if you will, to create man by breathing into this form of earth, it would not be  just air- it would be a part of HIM, and since HE has is complete love and righteousness and Holiness and so much more, He can only impart these things into Adam.

And this can be shown (my opinion) by two things: Adam had a “shroud or covering” in a physical sense. He was given a “spirit” (not Holy Spirit), breathed into him that would make him in His image and allow Adam to BE in HIS presence. 

God could no be physically in Adam’s presence after he sinned.

Also, God’s “spirit” breathed into Adam could no longer reside within Adam as well - no part of God could exist where there is sin. And now there was sin within Adam. 

The only change to man (Adam) before and after the fall was this “shroud or covering” signifying His “spirit” was taken away.

Adam was still a living soul, he still could breath, he still had a spirit but it was NOT the “spirit” imparted by God at his creation. This is what we lost and want / need to get back.

 

1 minute ago, Frits said:

Adam was also concluded by the Lord God to be "very good."  But Adam had to develop further into a heavenly man, only then Adam would not only be the 'image' but also in the 'likeness' of the Lord God.

I am not sure I understand you here... but the ONLY way man COULD be “very good” is he was created by God as “very good” - there was nothing Adam could do to improve on His creation.

1 minute ago, Frits said:

Adam was able to show his love to God the Father by staying in His word and resisting the temptation to eat of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

Sorry Frits, again I am not understanding your comment here... Adam did not succeed... he disobeyed God....

1 minute ago, Frits said:

 Adam was able to demonstrate there that he had confidence in God his Father and would reject evil, to this end the Lord God placed Adam in the Garden!
In the Garden Adam could develop into the perfect man of God from 2 Timothy 3:17.

I believe God made Adam perfect at creation. He could never have improved God’s creation. He simply had to obey Him in ONE thing.

1 minute ago, Frits said:

But Adam failed and squandered the wealth God the Father had given him.

Certainly agree!

1 minute ago, Frits said:

Ultimately, the meaning of what Gabriel spoke to Mary was also, "Let us make man ..." The Lord Jesus Christ, the saint of God, was born as a human being.  This second man was from heaven. (1Cor.15: 47)

God bless you.

 

Frits, it is ALWAYS great to hear from you and get your thoughts and knowledge of the Scriptures!!

I look forward to your thoughts on this, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

11 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Innocence was inherent in Adam and Eve and all Creation by virtue of their being no sin held to their account, prior to the Fall. The atonement of Christ for the sins of the world acheives the same result for those who receive Him by faith as their Lord and Saviour.

 It doesn't. Why do you think this is the only verse in the Bible that can teach about the triparte nature of humans when the word "spirit" is used frequently elsewhere to indicate that there is such a thing as a human spirit? I have already provided such Scriptures. 

Sometimes the question asked is "Why did Adam and Eve hide when they heard God calling?" The answer Adam gives is that he was afraid because he was naked. Adam and Eve had not considered nakedness as a cause for fear prior to disobeying God, so it is a fair deduction to make that they were clothed in righteousness until they sinned. The Bible does describe righteousness as a robe, and as fine linen. Sinners have much to fear in the Presence of the Lord without righteousness covering them. 

Isa 61:10  I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation, he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Rev 19:8  And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Since the atoning sacrifice Christ the Son of God made on the Cross is acceptable to God the Father in Heaven, all who receive Christ as their Lord and Saviour are declared righteous, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses repentant sinners from all their sin.

If Christ's atoning sacrifice had not been acceptable in Heaven the promised Holy Spirit would not have been forthcoming on the Day of Pentecost.

Act 2:32-33  This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  (33)  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear.

That's all for now. Class dismissed.
 

 
 

  

Well, I was going to respond to your comments until your last sentence. I appreciate your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie 

[Frits]

3 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

That's all for now. Class dismissed

My English is far from perfect, but even I understand this sentence from Michael is ment to be a little joke. ?

Edited December 31, 2020 by Frits

[Frits]

21 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

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Adam was able to show his love to God the Father by staying in His word and resisting the temptation to eat of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

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Sorry Frits, again I am not understanding your comment here... Adam did not succeed... he disobeyed God..

You're right Charlie, sorry, this is a mistake of how I translated. I wanted to say that not only was Adam "able," but in Eden he had the opportunity, the ultimate possibility, to show his belief in and love towards God.

God bless.

[Frits]

41 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

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Adam was also concluded by the Lord God to be "very good."  But Adam had to develop further into a heavenly man, only then Adam would not only be the 'image' but also in the 'likeness' of the Lord God.

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I am not sure I understand you here... but the ONLY way man COULD be “very good” is he was created by God as “very good” - there was nothing Adam could do to improve on His creation.

My apologies Charlie, again I didn't check Google for errors!
It should have said 'Also Adam was concluded to be very good', after all, this the Lord God is saying at the end of Chapter 1, and that includes Adam.

[Frits]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

I believe God made Adam perfect at creation. He could never have improved God’s creation. He simply had to obey Him in ONE thing.

Indeed Charlie, the Lord God made Adam 'very good'. There was nothing Adam could do to improve that. But there was one thing Adam couldn't do yet, he couldn't manifest his God-given kingship in heaven.
Adam was king on earth, but became a sin slave in the heavenly places!
(Rm.6: 16)
Because Adam lost his righteousness, God could not give him eternal life. (Gen.3:22)
In other words, the Lord God could not dwell in Adam through His holy Spirit. 

Enjoy your meal, God bless. Frits

[Guest kingdombrat]

4 hours ago, SONshine said:

This is a great discussion!

Agreed!  This is a discussion where it has caused us to dive back into the WORD.   You can never go wrong gaining such benefit from Reading subject matter that reassures our views towards God and His Creation.   And pinpointing the dots to connect has also brought us into many more [views] of the "Truth" and what still can be discussed that broadens this topic.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Agreed!  This is a discussion where it has caused us to dive back into the WORD.   You can never go wrong gaining such benefit from Reading subject matter that reassures our views towards God and His Creation.   And pinpointing the dots to connect has also brought us into many more [views] of the "Truth" and what still can be discussed that broadens this topic.

I agree as well! Such an interesting topic and there are so many knowledgeable and very bright individuals within this forum. 

It is amazing to me - folks that are fluent in Hebrew and Greek.... Those that are so familiar with the Scriptures AND readings outside the Bible!

And people that live all over the globe coming together to discuss the most important and interesting subject on earth...... it is a blessing to enjoy each day!

To all have a enjoyable and safe New Years, Charlie 

[Guest kingdombrat]

53 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I agree as well! Such an interesting topic and there are so many knowledgeable and very bright individuals within this forum. 

Even if a viewpoint appears that some disagree with still means a possible new way to observe it.  It's awakening to see everyone's side of the issue.   Who knew this topic was as diverse?   

53 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

It is amazing to me - folks that are fluent in Hebrew and Greek.... Those that are so familiar with the Scriptures AND readings outside the Bible!

Daniel and Paul both claimed knowledge would increase in the "Latter Days."   The views within this thread proves many are applying their understanding from knowledge gained.

53 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

And people that live all over the globe coming together to discuss the most important and interesting subject on earth...... it is a blessing to enjoy each day!

To all have a enjoyable and safe New Years, Charlie 

With and being in God is [a] belonging to family you will never know.   That's the "Beauty of these sites based in the Gospel of Christ," it brings us together.

[David1701]

19 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you Suzan... you certainly put a lot of thought in this!

Can you please look at a few recent posts above- I believe kingdombrat and SONshine may have mentioned ECC. 12:7 telling us that upon death we will return to the earth... 

Thanks, Charlie 

The post to which you replied is Gnostic and nothing like what the Bible teaches.  Beware of false teachers.