How to Authentically Speak in Tongues

[ChristB4us]

12 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Paul specifically speaks about church or Prayer, or meetings where believers get together...like small groups.

Paul is specifically speaks of the gifts of the Holy Spirit...

He is not speaking about someone who speaks more that one language...and he is able to translate from one language to another. 

No he does not...In the specific Paul said "if there is not interpreter and before the person speaks...".

Before anyone knows even himself what the person will say or rather in what language he will speak...

Paul is referring to two different people with different gifts from the Holy Spirit...the first person having the gift to speak in other tongues a message from the Holy Spirit while in church or in small groups or in a prayer meetings.

As we are in the operation of the Gifts this is happening by the intervention of the Holy Spirit...the Holy Spirit will choose the time when those words are put in the mouth of the person who has that gift...or who has been given that gift...note the Holy Spirit will put the words in his mouth to speak words in an unknown tongue...and this person if a regular to the group is known to them having this gift and kind of expecting a message from the Holy Spirit during their meetings...

Paul also is speaking about another gift of the Holy Spirit to another believer...whom the Holy Spirit has chosen to give to him the meaning of the message spoken in other tongues by the first person...Paul is saying that the Lord will raise amongst you believers with those gifts.

And those people are get to be known to the group they attend. 

Let's go first in the specific situation where only the person with the gift from the Holy Spirit to interpret is present in the meeting...if anyone with the gift to give a message from the Holy Spirit is not present and no one  speaks a message from the Holy Spirit it is understood that the person with the interpretation gift..will not say anything...

But in the other situation where a person with the gift to speak a message of the Holy Spirit is present and not known person with the gift of the Holy Spirit is present that day ...Paul said something about that...He said not to speak if the person knows that there is no one present who has the gift to interpret...if this a quidance or a prohibition we need to look into that is a following post. And other situations Paul spoke about...

If no interpretation, then how can anyone be made to keep silence if tongues are being used by the Holy Spirit to make intercessions for the tongue speaker and yet Paul forbid not to speak in tongues?

How can Paul forbid tongues if the Holy Spirit is using it for praying?

So what if the Holy Spirit does not use tongues for praying?

What if when there is no interpretation, it is because it is not being manifested by the Holy Ghost for why "he speaks to himself and to God" mean he is a foreign visitor speaking out of turn during this practice of having 2's or 3's speak in tongues, one by one, and another interpret?  Bound to happen for why that person is to keep silence because he understands what he is saying as God does to, not that he is talking to himself and to God.

So what is the real benefit of tongues for private use if the tongue speaker does not have it interpret by another for him to understand that tongue for that tongue to truly edify himself and thus be fruitful to himself?

Is it not better to pray normally and know what you had prayed for so that when you get an answer to prayer, you can give the father thanks in Jesus's name?

And if the Lord thru the Holy Spirit in you speaks to you by recalling scriptures you have read, and your own time reading the scriptures for self edification, are you fruitful for knowing and understanding His words than tongues for self edification?

If that was what that tongue for private use was doing in edifying you instead of the Holy Spirit praying to God?

So is tongues for private use really of God when between those 2 modes, it is confusing when there is no interpretation & yet God is not the author of confusion.

 

 

[ChristB4us]

8 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

have you ever saw something so sinful and shameful you felt anger rising up inside you before you and your body were caught up to the same level?

God inside us sees what we see. It Angers Him, it hurts Hims way before we get it, but then we start getting angry or hurt about it ourselves. Speaking in Tongues is no different. When the Holy Spirit gives the Utterances, you just follow that leading.

Tongues with interpretation is from God, but I believe @farouk was addressing tongues for private use as I do not believe it is of God either.

Whether or not tongue with interpretation would be manifested in an assembly that speaks all the same language today when we have the scriptures available is the question I believe tongue speakers try to avoid answering.

Especially when Paul was exhorting believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, tongues included, starting from verse 1 of that 14th chapter in the first epistle to the Corinthians.

As Paul was led by the Holy Spirit for every one to seek the gift of prophesy, I fail to see the need for tongues with interpretation in an all one language church with written scripture as the Holy Spirit would be manifesting prophesy; edification.

So what good does tongues for private use does?  Does it make you feel good?  Does it make you feel better?  And yet you do not know if you are being self edified by the Holy Spirit or the Holy Spirit is praying for you.

If tongue speakers need interpretation in the assembly for that tongue to be understood and be fruitful to himself, then how can it be for private use seeing how he will never understand it nor that tongue be fruitful to himself unless interpreted by another?

You may disagree but there are logical and practical reasonings for why I do not believe tongues were ever meant for private use.  1 Corinthians 12:4-21 says no plainly but tongue speakers skips over it to chapter 14 to infer otherwise when Paul was never endorsing tongues for private use when it needs interpretation for the tongue speaker to understand and that tongue actually be fruitful to himself.

 

[ChristB4us]

27 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

When I Pray in English I could care less if you are beside me or not.  In fact, You don't even exist as my mind and heart is devoted and thinking solely upon God.

And when it's time to Preach, no one is doing as you suggest.  

I've got a lifetime of experiences in Pentecostal Congregations and you just have no idea what you are even talking about.   You are creating a Make Belief Scenario like those in the pew next to you can't hear the Preaching because someone is jumping around, whispering, etc,

Paul is talking about Prayer and Worship time.  By the time the Preaching begins, People are done Worshiping and Praising God.

I was following the make believe scenario suggested by @Starise who seem to think it was okay to pray in tongues like when you are on a camping trip by yourself, and applying scripture to that scenario as in if someone came upon said believer.

As for praying in English, better to know what you had prayed for than not, right?  Best way to know when you get an answer to YOUR prayers.  Amen?

When it is time to preach?  How about outside that time of preaching?  There is this one video on Youtube of a pastor leading a congregation to all praying in tongues and somehow it exposed a witch that had come into the congregation.  Remember this?

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Paul would not endorse nor support such a practice at any time of the church service.  Is that not clear by that verse above?

I am sure many churches do things differently with tongues for private use like some will have time out to pray in tongues.  I can name two ministries that does that, but that is not meaning that every Pentecostal churches does that.

And yet still Paul would speak against such a prayer time when every one is praying in tongues per that verse 23 above.

You are my brother, and I believe it is better for you to pray normally than allow tongues for private use to manifest when you do not know nor can you know what is being uttered; the Holy Spirit self edifying you or praying for you.  To me, that is the epitome of confusion which I believe God is not the author of.  

I would not want it if that kind of fruitless tongue came upon me.  No way.

[ChristB4us]

20 hours ago, farouk said:

@ChristB4us Ppl sometimes think their utterances are from God whereas it's not true at all...............

We do need to stick to what the Scriptures say.

I believe in God's gift of tongues with interpretation but I do not believe His gift of tongues were ever meant for private use per 1 Corinthians 12:4-21 KJV

I do not see God's gift of tongues with interpretation being manifested any where in an all one language speaking church where the written scriptures are available.

Since Paul as led by the Holy Spirit exhorted the church zealous for spiritual gifts to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts including tongues, then the Holy Spirit would be manifesting prophesy or edification in an all one language speaking church and it would not be running contrary to any written scripture at all.

Indeed, I would believe the Holy Spirit would be bringing scripture in remembrance for the believers to speak in that known language to the edification of the churches.

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by ChristB4us

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, Starise said:

I don't really see myself as having a side on this. I agree we should do all things biblically. Unless my 'side' is to be open minded but not to the point that I get careless.

Not fighting either way. Just trying to see the most balanced view.

Most churches don't dispute it IMO because the denominations have taken care of it.

Churches 'closed' to even the idea don't usually have tongues speakers in their midst.

Do you see some of this as restricting to the Spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings.

Most tongue speakers when sing that verse 19, would apply that to tongues, but I believe it is to be applied to verse 20.

Some may be nudged by the Lord to speak a scripture that comes to mind for the edification of others, but resist it because of not wishing to make waves or draw attention to himself as if he is a know it all.

We are all required to share talents of what the Lord has taught & done for us and so those that despise prophesying, can be seen as one that hides his talents in the earth.

Now imagine tongues for private use when it is not interpreted and not understood by the tongue speaker and thus the tongue is unfruitful.  Is God a hypocrite for hiding that talent in the earth even from that tongue speaker?  No.

So tongues for private use cannot be of Him.

All I have seen it do is get in the way of the believer when praying normally.  One neighbor testified to starting to pray normally and then the tongues cut in there & he spent the rest of that time in praying in tongues; never finished praying normally what he wanted to pray for.

 

[farouk]

On 5/8/2023 at 3:10 PM, ChristB4us said:

 

Since other Jews have been saved since that day at Pentecost, it would be difficult to prove the new converted Jews in Acts 2 had spoken in tongues when it was not written that they had.

 

@ChristB4us Agreed.

[Your closest friendnt]

53 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

have you ever saw something so sinful and shameful you felt anger rising up inside you before you and your body were caught up to the same level?

This is your self and your own conscience...how they react to what you are exposed to..

It is not God...God thinks how to help them out of compassion towards them...how to pave the way towards repentance...and not how to follow you in your thinking and feeling...

 

53 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

 

God inside us sees what we see. It Angers Him, it hurts Hims way before we get it,

This is you and your self...it is not God...

53 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

but then we start getting angry or hurt about it ourselves. Speaking in Tongues is no different. 

 

When the Holy Spirit gives the Utterances, you just follow that leading.

 

[LiveWire]

8 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is your self and your own conscience...how they react to what you are exposed to..

It is not God...God thinks how to help them out of compassion towards them...how to pave the way towards repentance...and not how to follow you in your thinking and feeling...

 

This is you and your self...it is not God...

 

Could be, but I believe in all of the Gifts of the Spirit, especially, Discernment.

 

When someone you don't really know is telling you about something you have no way to verify and you get that hollow feeling that you are most likely being lied to.   And sure enough, later down the road you discover it was all a lie.   That is Discernment.   And that Discernment happens in everything in life from simple daily routine to Spiritual Warfare.   You see, that is God telling me you are being lied to.   But it takes me to internally process this to become real and believable.   Once my mind is positive, I know I will learn and it will be confirmed all because I absolutely receive God's Favor in my life.

Edited May 10, 2023 by LiveWire

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, LiveWire said:

have you ever saw something so sinful and shameful you felt anger rising up inside you before you and your body were caught up to the same level?

God inside us sees what we see. It Angers Him, it hurts Hims way before we get it, but then we start getting angry or hurt about it ourselves. Speaking in Tongues is no different. When the Holy Spirit gives the Utterances, you just follow that leading.

Psalm 103:8The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

PSALM 145:8The Lord is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

@ChristB4us Agreed.

How would you know that..

You can not say that...

You cannot say anything or comment about anything about them. What you can say it is that we are not given the very specifics about anything that happened that day...

Peter told them that the Holy Spirit it is for them also...

And if not that time Peter will follow on that and tell them more on a later day...

Because he promised them that the Holy Spirit it is for them also.