How to Authentically Speak in Tongues

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23 minutes ago, ChristB4us said:

There are experiences and then there are scriptures speaking against tongues for private use.  It is obvious to me that experiences is making it difficult for tongues user for private use to see that meat in His words as reproving it as a work of darkness.

So, brother, I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will reveal that to you soon to repent of it to pray normally before He comes as the Bridegroom.

Look at Miracles.  We see Miracles in homes, sides of the road, all places and very little examples of Miracles working while at Church.

People Pray wherever people are.   Speaking in tongues, is a Gift like Miracles, Healing, etc, they can happen ANYWHERE.

So, if the Holy Spirit allows His GIFTS to happen EVERYWHERE, how is it you think only Speaking in Tongues in Tongues happens in ONE PLACE?

It's a Gift of the Same Spirit who Gifts Healing, Miracles that happen EVERYWHERE!.

You really need to drop the topic of Tongues, you have no idea at all what you are doing or saying or claiming.   You are literally speaking out of where such idealism's generally originate from.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

@ChristB4us There is such a thing as to peacefully agree to disagree. Not to imply a brother who does not see this the same way needs to "repent" or "confess" anything. 

You bring up many good points, mainly that we are to be careful and test the spirits. I don't see many of the references you gave as referring directly to only tongues. 

You may need to go over that post again, but I shall summarize.

Since we are to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil, if there is a supernatural tongue that is gibberish nonsense as found in the occult as confirmed by Isaiah 8:19, which is before Pentecost, then the real God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people, is not going to turn around for private use sounding like that very same gibberish nonsense as known in the occult & idolatry.

Or else, how can sinners that use that kind of tongue know that they had departed from those spirits and that kind of tongue if God's gift of tongues can also be gibberish nonsense?

How can the church know that those sinners that God called out of that darkness, have repented if the church rationalize that God's gift of tongues can also be as it is found in the world as gibberish nonsense?

I really believe verses 5 & 6 of 1 John 4:1-6 KJV is about testing the tongues that the spirits of the antichrist will also bring, which is gibberish nonsense as of the world.

The warning to the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-25 KJV reads to me as a warning to tongues for private users for how they gained it by fornication, looking for a sign of receiving that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Anyway, you seeing many good points, I can only hope in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will continue to minister to you in getting ready for the Bridegroom before He comes as I trust him as my Good shepherd to deliver me from every evil works also.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure..... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

May God bless you and keep you.  May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

[farouk]

6 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Well, I did not start this thread, but yeah, one can always hope as Paul did.

I believe Paul was addressing that kind of tongues for private use here for why he was exhorting believers to use the written scripture rather than use tongues for self edification.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

But yes, I do need the Lord's help in discerning when to let go & to even let go too. 

I do think the context of tongues in Acts relates to the Apostolic period when the Scriptures were not yet complete.

[ChristB4us]

23 minutes ago, farouk said:

I do think the context of tongues in Acts relates to the Apostolic period when the Scriptures were not yet complete.

I understand.  I believe it since I have seen so much abuse with tongues but I have to wonder in regards to outward ministry but those would have to be extreme cases these days, if there are any at all.

Those who report of it are the ones advocating for tongues for private use and so I have to doubt their stories as just hype for their speaking in tongues while promoting that apostate calling of baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

I would like to believe that all the gifts of the Spirit are still available for areas where the written scripture is not available in their native tongue.

But I find it dubious in an all English speaking church that the Holy Spirit would even bother to manifest tongues when Paul as led by the Spirit, was exhorting believers to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts, including tongues.

I really think that apostate calling started at the Azusa Street Revival is responsible for this falling away from the faith that we see in different formats today like slain in the spirit, bring drunk in the spirit and holy laughter movement which some variations of it was reported back in that very same Azusa Street Revival.

Scripture is for our self edification today;  tongues for private use never was; not then and not now.  You will never find such promotions elsewhere as they take verses out of context of what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthias 14th chapter, but by His grace 7 by His help, one may see Paul debunking tongues for private use in favor of scriptures below.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by ChristB4us

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5 hours ago, farouk said:

I do think the context of tongues in Acts relates to the Apostolic period when the Scriptures were not yet complete.

When the Apostle John penned Revelation, John 1-2-3, his writings were factually the last works discovered to be written according to Date.   Nowhere in any of John's Writings did he write, I am the last person alive whose written materials will be inside the future Canon.  So, I am letting everyone I know, this means the Bible is Completed.

 

No, the Bible is completed because a group of demon filled people led by the worst one of them all, Constantine, decided when the Bible was completed, not God.

 

So, why do you use the Bible as being Completed as the Perfect to Come, when it was a Satan filled demoniac who CHOSE the Bible Books and Closed the Canon.   Are you saying the Bible is perfect because Satan chose how the Bible is laid out and formatted?

[ChristB4us]

19 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

When the Apostle John penned Revelation, John 1-2-3, his writings were factually the last works discovered to be written according to Date.   Nowhere in any of John's Writings did he write, I am the last person alive whose written materials will be inside the future Canon.  So, I am letting everyone I know, this means the Bible is Completed.

Makes you wonder why Revelation was placed last in the Bible of the N.T. as pertaining to future events.  Reads like it is completed.

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No, the Bible is completed because a group of demon filled people led by the worst one of them all, Constantine, decided when the Bible was completed, not God.

I doubt the Holy Spirit will allow anything or anyone to stop if more scripture was to be added to the Bible that we have.

Remember Job?  Satan cannot do anything without God's permission.

We can trust God to give us His words as I believe the meat of His words were to discern good and evil kept in the KJV Bible, but of course, only Jesus Christ can confirm that for you.

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So, why do you use the Bible as being Completed as the Perfect to Come, when it was a Satan filled demoniac who CHOSE the Bible Books and Closed the Canon.   Are you saying the Bible is perfect because Satan chose how the Bible is laid out and formatted?

What scripture from the Lord are we lacking in order to follow Him as kept in the KJV?

Would not the practice of recording the edification from tongues with interpretation and prophesy be had in a book from that church?  Yet not a one is found for such things.  So why would there be any emphasis for "new scripture" other than to apply the meat of His words that we have now for discerning good and evil.

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66 Books for a Holy Word of God.

The original Hebrew has 22 Books + 27 for New Testament = 49, which is Perfection [7x7=49]

 

 

 

 

[ChristB4us]

9 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

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66 Books for a Holy Word of God.

The original Hebrew has 22 Books + 27 for New Testament = 49, which is Perfection [7x7=49]

Source or link?

Some say when you divide the 66 Books in half, you would get to this verse.

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

But some sites disagree and debunked it supposedly as being that half way verse.

Numbers are not really any confirmation for us to go by for the word of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit in us is.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So trust Jesus Christ to be your personal Good Shepherd & Friend today and let no one offer any invitation to the "Holy Spirit" when He has been in us since the calling of the gospel when we had first believed in Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

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7 hours ago, farouk said:

I do think the context of tongues in Acts relates to the Apostolic period when the Scriptures were not yet complete.

I must be polite because some times Iuck on that...and asked if you could post the same thing with more words to correctly understand what you want to say..

I need to correctly understand it..what is this you want to say? 

Do you say that the gifts have seazed? 

[ChristB4us]

As soon as my posts on moderation are approved, God be willing, I believe the Lord has shared enough edification and reproof and cause for repentance for me to drop the thread.

If however someone new or someone that has been posting wish to continue, in exchange with me, you may Private Message me and if God be willing, He shall have me respond.  If not, then just read all the posts in this thread, and not just mine, leaning on Him for discernment.

I am going to try the Red Button at the top of the thread page "Ignore This Thread" to see how that works.

Walking away now as I hope in the Lord that is what He wants me to do.