Your closest friendnt Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,890 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,777 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Starise said: They didn't know HOW it was going to happen. They simply believed God and it was counted to them for righteousness. How do we have righteousness? Exactly. Catch my drift? Animal sacrifices were the precursor to the permanent solution. At that time it was a highly symbolic gesture of obedience. How did the Wise men know who Jesus was? This is not supported by the scriptures in the Old Testament. Noah boasted in his self righteousness, he had no idea about what you are talking about. God said he found Noah to be a righteous person in his own self righteousness. Which he could loose any time if he did something unrighteous. And there was no restoration into self righteousness they did not have forgiveness of Sins. God did not imputed righteousness to him. God as a rule never imputed righteousness to any one because they believe in him. That has never happened and it will never happen. Perhaps you may want to say something that happened to Abraham. And what happened to Abraham it did not happened the way you have put it. I am not challenging you to prove what you said because you know that it is not what happened when we read the story of Abraham in Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: Did you say in and out of Hell while they lived, in this life or in the life after they died? And anyway there still something that you need to tell us and that is; Where do you think they are when they are out of Hell? We will always live, I believe. It's up to us where we live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.66 Reputation: 13,666 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: This is not supported by the scriptures in the Old Testament. The scriptures in the OT support the scriptures in the NT. I look at the bible collectively. Sin IS forgiven in the OT. 24 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: God did not imputed righteousness to him. God as a rule never imputed righteousness to any one because they believe in him. You are ignoring sections of scripture to say this. You are rewording my original comment. Abraham's belief in Yahweh was counted to him for righteousness. The belief as mentioned in that text goes deeper than a superficial belief. He acted on the belief just as we do today. At the time there was no cross,there were sacrifices. The difference between mere knowledge and a personal relationship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,890 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,777 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: We will always live, I believe. It's up to us where we live. Please tell us the source of your beliefs if they are from the totality of scripture or if they come from another source or book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.51 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said: I can't find anything in the Bible that says not to put my hand on a hot stove. Does that prove it's okay to put my hand on a hot stove? That is not a serious argument. There are many Scriptures about acting wisely. Biblical principles are against causing reckless harm, they do not need to specify every example of such harm. There is, however, proof that the torment in hell is forever. The smoke of their torment rises perpetually. The worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. The duration of the punishment is the same as duration of the eternal life of the saved. Do you need scriptural quotes, because I can supply them easily? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,890 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,777 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Starise said: The scriptures in the OT support the scriptures in the NT. I look at the bible collectively. Sin IS forgiven in the OT. You are ignoring sections of scripture to say this. You are rewording my original comment. Abraham's belief in Yahweh was counted to him for righteousness. The belief as mentioned in that text goes deeper than a superficial belief. He acted on the belief just as we do today. At the time there was no cross,there were sacrifices. The difference between mere knowledge and a personal relationship. You are putting mud in the water. I mean you speak on behalf of Abraham by looking in someone else. And without giving the bible text from the account of Abraham and his encounter with God in Genesis. Let the text speak for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.66 Reputation: 13,666 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: You are putting mud in the water. I mean you speak on behalf of Abraham by looking in someone else. And without giving the bible text from the account of Abraham and his encounter with God in Genesis. Let the text speak for him. Test basis for my comments to You Closest Friendt In the NT BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,890 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,777 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Starise said: Test basis for my comments to You Closest Friendt In the NT BTW If you do not want to post the scriptures from Genesis that you know about them that speak on behalf of Abraham I will post them my self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.66 Reputation: 13,666 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: If you do not want to post the scriptures from Genesis that you know about them that speak on behalf of Abraham I will post them my self. I had some thoughts on this. If you could so kindly do so that would be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted January 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,302 Content Per Day: 1.71 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2021 18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: I find your post extremely Judging without cause Then you are judging God forge said that All have sinned in both the old and the new. Salvation depends entirely on God's grace and mercy, not on man's efforts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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