Was Jesus a sinner?

[Guest Zayit]

Was he a sinner because he 'broke' the law?

Many here on these forums have accused him of such, like this:

Jesus violated the Sabbath Laws when he was here by his own admission so I think it is safe to say that He doesn't expect me to follow them either.

But is that true, and what are the ramifications if it is, Is your salvation intact, Is your salvation based on sin?

Let's use this thread where you can post anything from the Gospels that Jesus did, or said that you feel broke any of the Laws of the Torah. Let us start with the one mentioned above. Please list all the times Jesus broke the laws of Shabbat.

I especially would like to start with the one that he broke of his own admission.

Keep in mind I am not being your accuser, but I am standing up for my redeemer.

Note: Not to be devisive but I would rather that this stay a non-SDA thread please.

[yomotalking]

I don't understand.....you want us to put down all the wrong things Jesus did?

Jesus did no wrong.

He is Just and Holy.

[Joy in the Journey]

Editied for breaking the OP's intent for the thread - sorry Zayit

Edited August 7, 2005 by Joy in the Journey

[Guest Zayit]

Yomo , this thread is for those who have said that Jesus broke the law, or didn't follow certain laws or told others they didn't have to, such as what I quoted in my post above from another thread.

[halifaxchristian]

Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly. There are instances when His approach differed from the Jews of His day...simply because He was living under the spirit of the Law and not the letter. At least that's my understanding. I agree with those posted...Jesus is SINLESS. Nothing less. Praise Jesus!!!

God bless.

[Guest Zayit]

Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly.  There are instances when His approach differed from the Jews of His day...simply because He was living under the spirit of the Law and not the letter.  At least that's my understanding.  I agree with those posted...Jesus is SINLESS.  Nothing less.  Praise Jesus!!!

God bless.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thank you HC, I coulnd't agree more, but there are those who don't understand certain things Jesus did or said, that actually appear that he did break the laws, or didn't abide by them or changed them, that is what this thread it for, to discuss these things.

[halifaxchristian]

Zayit, it should be interesting to see what some of the opponents of our viewpoints say. It will be a good opportunity for us to lead these people to the Saviour! Let's try to reach these people in love, and though we disagree with their thoughts, may we agree with Jesus Himself when He said to preach the Gospel to every creature. And EVERY means heretics too!!! Haha...anyway, let the controversy begin!

God bless.

[Gerioke]

Matthew 5

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 12: 10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

11 And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

13 Then said he to the man, Stretch forth your hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

I think He is trying to clarify that God is flexible, hence, GRACE. To do good is to do the awill of God, even on the sabbath.

[other one]

Just so you all will know Zayit posted this as a reply to me on another thread. She is trying to tell me that the sabbath law is still in effect today and I am in disagreement.

I am on my laptop right now and it will be difficult for me to post all from the other thread. I'll do so later.

BTW I did not say that Jesus was a sinner. I said that he worked on the sabbath when he was here. I don't think the sabbath law is stil in effect so I son't believe that He sinned. I find it interesting that Zayit wants to move the discussion here for it really pertains to the other thread. But I'm off work with a very hurt knee and literally don't have anything else to do..... but later when all the scanning of old family pictures is finished....

[other one]

Zayit, after thinking it over and praying about it for a bit I have decided that I am not going to take part in this thread.

I have ask for input on this subject on more than one thread dealing with the sabbath subject and it should be addressed there. We need not get mixed up with hundreds of scriptures that all say that Jesus was sinless, so if you want to addresss this with me do it where it belongs in the other thread with the other subject.