What Caused the Big Bang?

[JohnR7]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:43 AM, JohnD said:

I wonder why God ever created anyone or anything else to exist? 

There can be many answers for this. Genesis 1:27 tells us mankind was created "to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it" We have dominion, gifts - talents & abilities. We are to bring praise, honor and glory to God. The ultimate goal is that we will rule and reign with Christ. 

[JohnR7]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:39 AM, JohnD said:

so the Father and the Spirit were Jesus' witnesses.

The Morning Stars and the Sons of God were there in the beginning. The first commandment is to Love God so we bring Him praise, honor and glory. 

Job 38:6 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" 

[The Barbarian]

Having had my own dark night of the soul, I agree with the humbling part.   It is both humbling and liberating.

Did you know the Big Bang was formulated by a physicist who was a Catholic priest, and opposed by an atheist who objected to the notion that the universe was not eternal, but had been made?

On 5/6/2021 at 8:57 PM, Charlie744 said:

That is because the priest had the only printing press at the time

In 1927?    You sure about that?  

 

 

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Having had my own dark night of the soul, I agree with the humbling part.   It is both humbling and liberating.

Did you know the Big Bang was formulated by a physicist who was a Catholic priest, and opposed by an atheist who objected to the notion that the universe was not eternal, but had been made?

In 1927?    You sure about that?  

 

 

Sorry, it was just meant as a joke. I was attempting to draw a comparison to the RCC back in the 500 - 1000 AD or so period when they would literally chain the Bible to the wall so people would have very limited access to it... along with the fact they were written in Latin and no one but the priests could read Latin..... if you wanted to know what the Bible said you had to speak to the priests and they would tell you....

So I was trying to make a comparison to another time where the RCC would continue to inform folks what to think... hence, they would be the only ones with a printing press - just a joke... but thanks... Charlie

[The Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Charlie744 said:

Sorry, it was just meant as a joke. I was attempting to draw a comparison to the RCC back in the 500 - 1000 AD or so period when they would literally chain the Bible to the wall so people would have very limited access to it...

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

It was done so no one would take them, and so that anyone could read them.   Think.

2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

along with the fact they were written in Latin and no one but the priests could read Latin.....

Few people could read at all.  But in those times almost everyone who could read, could read Latin.  It was a basic course in school (but few people attended school).

The first vernacular translations began when a merchant class emerged; those people had to be able to read, and taught their kids to read in German, Dutch, French, or whatever.

5 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

if you wanted to know what the Bible said you had to speak to the priests and they would tell you....

No.   That's what stained glass windows were for.   The essential parts of doctrine were in those windows.   Or in sermons.

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, The Barbarian said:

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

It was done so no one would take them, and so that anyone could read them.   Think.

Few people could read at all.  But in those times almost everyone who could read, could read Latin.  It was a basic course in school (but few people attended school).

The first vernacular translations began when a merchant class emerged; those people had to be able to read, and taught their kids to read in German, Dutch, French, or whatever.

No.   That's what stained glass windows were for.   The essential parts of doctrine were in those windows.   Or in sermons.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree... no problem on this end. Without meaning to be offensive in any way are you a practicing RC? And you certainly do not have to respond to that question, Charlie

[The Barbarian]

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

On 6/5/2021 at 11:22 AM, Charlie744 said:

Well, we will have to agree to disagree...

Doesn't matter.   You could claim that telephone companies used to secure directories to phone booths to keep people from being able to read them, but the truth is, they were secured for the same reasons Bibles were secured; to let everyone read them.

 

On 6/5/2021 at 11:22 AM, Charlie744 said:

Without meaning to be offensive in any way are you a practicing RC?

Been a Christian all my life.    I don't plan on leaving The Church now.   Not that there aren't other denominations that are also Christian.    Ours is just the biggest one.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by The Barbarian

[Charlie744]

7 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

Doesn't matter.   You could claim that telephone companies used to secure directories to phone booths to keep people from being able to read them, but the truth is, they were secured for the same reasons Bibles were secured; to let everyone read them.

 

Been a Christian all my life.    I don't plan on leaving The Church now.   Not that there aren't other denominations that are also Christian.    Ours is just the biggest one.

 

 

There are at least 1.3 B Roman Catholics headed by the “little horn”... 

You can find the little horn first mention in Daniel 7. 

They have been responsible for killing at least 50 M people over the years because they refused to convert to RC or disagree with their doctrine... even other Christian people.. 

This biggest church changed God’s laws and commandments and claim that he pope is God on earth and can forgive sins. 

What more does anyone need to know about this biggest church? 

What are your thoughts on these? They are NOT my opinions they are in the records and history books found in the world... 

Charlie

 

 

[The Barbarian]

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

Doesn't matter.   You could claim that telephone companies used to secure directories to phone booths to keep people from being able to read them, but the truth is, they were secured for the same reasons Bibles were secured; to let everyone read them.

(Quick change of subject; asks about Barbarian's faith)

Been a Christian all my life.    I don't plan on leaving The Church now.   Not that there aren't other denominations that are also Christian.    Ours is just the biggest one.

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

There are at least 1.3 B Roman Catholics headed by the “little horn”... 

Martin Luther isn't even a Catholic, much less head of The Church.   He advocated killing and enslaving religious dissenters.    Calvin merely wanted to kill them.

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

They have been responsible for killing at least 50 M people over the years 

Well, let's take a look... (Barbarian checks)

Up to 12,000,000 people in the Thirty Years war, alone.  But it wasn't all Protestants doing it.   There were many Catholics involved in the killing as well.  
 

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

This biggest church changed God’s laws and commandments and claim that he pope is God on earth and can forgive sins. 

Apostolic Christians passed on the Ten Commandments to other denominations, most (but not all) of whom kept them.    Of course, no one who knows anything about The Church supposes that Catholics think the pope is God.   

But Jesus was the one who gave his Apostles the power to forgive sins:

Matthew 18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

 

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

What are your thoughts on these?

I'll go with God's opinions, instead.  Sorry.

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by The Barbarian

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Whoever told you that, lied to you.   They were chained to the wall precisely so that everyone could read them.   For the same reason telephone books used to be fastened to the wall in phone booths.

Doesn't matter.   You could claim that telephone companies used to secure directories to phone booths to keep people from being able to read them, but the truth is, they were secured for the same reasons Bibles were secured; to let everyone read them.

(Quick change of subject)

(Asks about Barbarian's faith)

Been a Christian all my life.    I don't plan on leaving The Church now.   Not that there aren't other denominations that are also Christian.    Ours is just the biggest one.

Martin Luther isn't even a Catholic, much less head of The Church.   He advocated killing and enslaving religious dissenters.    Calvin merely wanted to kill them.

Well, let's take a look...

Up to 12,000,000 people in the Thirty Years war, alone.  But it wasn't all Protestants doing it.   There were many Catholics involved in the killing as well.  
 

Apostolic Christians passed on the Ten Commandments to other denominations, most (but not all) of whom kept them.    Of course, no one who knows anything about The Church supposes that Catholics think the pope is God.   

But Jesus was the one who gave his Apostles the power to forgive sins:

Matthew 18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

 

I'll go with God's opinions, instead.  Sorry.

 

 

 

I don’t seem to be able to follow you.. It does not seem we will agree or even disagree ....

I can’t tell if your RC or Lutheran or... What does Luther have to do with this ?

Only God can forgive sins- no one else. RC church murdered >50 M and you deflect to Luther or Calvin?

If you are happy with the RC church then stay with it... you are certainly not alone! 

Scripture does tell you to come out of Babylon (RCC) and the little horn (pope). Read THEIR own writings- they profess he is god on earth, can forgive sins, change God’s laws, on and on....