What Caused the Big Bang?

[JohnD]

Charlie744, It's like the scientists who converse with God over how easy it is to create a human being. God is impressed, "Okay, by all means, show me how..." 

The scientists say, "First you begin with dirt --"

"Wait a minute!" God interrupts. "Get your own dirt!"

[JohnD]

Man can rearrange stuff. Change it's molecular structure. But it's already here. It's already provided.

[Justin Adams]

OK, so the OP might be an ad hoc fallacy. Or not? So what.

Let's just go fishing!

[JohnD]

On 5/5/2021 at 1:17 AM, JohnR7 said:

Nothing does not exist. Of course that only makes sense as a pun.  

Then what is eternal?

I'm reminded of the old belief that the world rests on turtles...

"What's under the turtles?" the skeptic asked.

The reply, "Turtles, turtles... all the way down..."

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by JohnD

[JohnD]

To the readers of this thread...

Notice how the subject at hand was derailed to a side argument about what elements existed from forever past.

Even if elements did exist eternally (which the 2nd LAW of thermodynamics disproves)...

even IF they did...

WHAT would CAUSE them to explode with such intensity that

trillions times trillions of supernovas would pale in comparison to?

[JohnD]

Quantum physics itself is based on a limit to which elements can be divided

or dissected... cram an entire UNIVERSE into a grandmommy and granddaddy 

hydrogen atoms???

Madness!

Even the theories about black holes would more rationally support an exchange through the

black holes between at least two parallel universes rather than the black holes just keep compressing

what it feeds on in curved space time around them.

The Bible speaks of another universe (but it calls it the third heaven).

Honestly why scientists don't first major in what the Bible teaches is beyond me.

Sure would save the scientific community all that rewriting of textbooks.

[JohnD]

1 minute ago, JohnD said:

Quantum physics itself is based on a limit to which elements can be divided

or dissected... cram an entire UNIVERSE into a grandmommy and granddaddy 

hydrogen atoms???

Madness!

Even the theories about black holes would more rationally support an exchange through the

black holes between at least two parallel universes rather than the black holes just keep compressing

what it feeds on in curved space time around them.

The Bible speaks of another universe (but it calls it the third heaven).

Honestly why scientists don't first major in what the Bible teaches is beyond me.

Sure would save the scientific community all that rewriting of textbooks.

Job 26:7 (AV)
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

The Bible describes Earth in space.

Science!

[Guest kingdombrat]

Where Science fails specifically is that today we know Space is endless and continually expanding.   But Science claims there was a point and time where Space had hardwired dimensions.   And when these dimensions became jam packed full of Energy and Laws + Singularity, it heated, it froze, and then at another change in atmosphere it caused the annihilation resulting in the Big Bang.

 

Basically, Science took a square box 10x10x10 all equal dimensions.   Filled this box to max capacity.  And then on its own created heat and then cold.   And then finally imploded.

 

It really is the biggest joke ever told!

 

But Science needs the Big Bang because without the Annihilation, the resulting chaos, the colliding of matter and materials, the Planets never form, Earth never has an abundance of Uranium, Uranium never leaks and creates the prototypes for formatting LIFE, and the kick off to Evolution.

 

So, no Big Bang = no Evolution.

 

This is why Science needs the Big Bang Theory!

[teddyv]

37 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Where Science fails specifically is that today we know Space is endless and continually expanding.   But Science claims there was a point and time where Space had hardwired dimensions.   And when these dimensions became jam packed full of Energy and Laws + Singularity, it heated, it froze, and then at another change in atmosphere it caused the annihilation resulting in the Big Bang.

 

Basically, Science took a square box 10x10x10 all equal dimensions.   Filled this box to max capacity.  And then on its own created heat and then cold.   And then finally imploded.

 

It really is the biggest joke ever told!

 

But Science needs the Big Bang because without the Annihilation, the resulting chaos, the colliding of matter and materials, the Planets never form, Earth never has an abundance of Uranium, Uranium never leaks and creates the prototypes for formatting LIFE, and the kick off to Evolution.

 

So, no Big Bang = no Evolution.

 

This is why Science needs the Big Bang Theory!

Is that really a hypothesis for the origin of the Big Bang? If so, one should probably take care to note that such a statement is a hypothesis (at best), and may be a possible mathematical construct, but there is probably no way to test this.

Also, saying that Science claims this or that is a bit misleading as well, since its not a monolithic entity.

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Is that really a hypothesis for the origin of the Big Bang? If so, one should probably take care to note that such a statement is a hypothesis (at best), and may be a possible mathematical construct, but there is probably no way to test this.

Also, saying that Science claims this or that is a bit misleading as well, since its not a monolithic entity.

It's a quick surmise, but factual in concept according to most manuals on the subject.

 

But the real important question is why the [need] for the Big Bang theory.

 

Without the blunt force of annihilation, how else do you get matter in a chaotic formation to collide and produce the Planets?

 

And then because of the [circumstances of the chaotic matter] colliding and banging into one another, it becomes a "mixture" of multiple items when the Planet forms.   This [mixture] plus an atmosphere of pure toxins leads to Earth's "center" becoming pure Uranium that leads to eventual [Evolution].

 

Knowing how Science explains the effects of the Big Bang, that ultimately results in a Planet now capable of Evolution, means the Big Bang is the [sole] key to Evolution.

 

So, no Big Bang = no Evolution.