The Law Of Moses

[Guest shiloh357]

Man... why are we so focused on the 'LAW' should we not be more focused on the 'SPIRIT and PROMISE' of God??? 

The Apostle Paul states:

Galatians 3

Justification by Faith

[apothanein kerdos]

No one is saying we can't keep certain customs and traditions. Where we are drawing the line, as Paul did in Galatians (which is not a misunderstanding) is when people say keeping these things makes us better Christians or holier than others. Whether I celebrate Sabbath on a Monday or a Friday has no bearing on my stance with God or how God treats me, for the spirit of the Torah has been observed. Whether I wear a kippot or choose not to does not matter, for so long as I recognize God as the head the spirit of the law has been observed. When you get people like Zayit comming in here telling us that to live holy we have to follow the letter of the law, that is when we turn to Galatians which is where Paul condemns the letter of the law and opts for the spirit of the law. There is no getting around this. The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus and the apostles affirming the spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. SO long as the spirit is observed, who cares?

[other one]

Man... why are we so focused on the 'LAW' should we not be more focused on the 'SPIRIT and PROMISE' of God??? 

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Because there are some people on the board that are trying to get the rest of us back under the law......

[Guest shiloh357]

No one is saying we can't keep certain customs and traditions. Where we are drawing the line, as Paul did in Galatians (which is not a misunderstanding) is when people say keeping these things makes us better Christians or holier than others. Whether I celebrate Sabbath on a Monday or a Friday has no bearing on my stance with God or how God treats me, for the spirit of the Torah has been observed. Whether I wear a kippot or choose not to does not matter, for so long as I recognize God as the head the spirit of the law has been observed. When you get people like Zayit comming in here telling us that to live holy we have to follow the letter of the law, that is when we turn to Galatians which is where Paul condemns the letter of the law and opts for the spirit of the law. There is no getting around this. The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus and the apostles affirming the spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. SO long as the spirit is observed, who cares?

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I hear what you are saying. I think all of us need to fight legalism. No one should be made to feel like they are missing it if they don't observe Jewish customs. That is going overboard. I would just like to see people not condemn the Torah as they are fighting legalism.

As for the letter of the Torah. I keep the letter of the Torah, by not murdering. I also keep the spirit of the Torah by not hating. I keep the letter of the Torah by not by not committing adultery; I keep the spirit of the Torah by not lusting.

Keeping the Spirit of the Torah means that not only should we not commit certain sins, but neither should there be anything in our hearts that would cause us to lead us to those sins in the first place.

It becomes legalism when the letter takes precedence over the Spirit.

[apothanein kerdos]

But to keep the letter you must follow the spirit first

One may commit adultry, but the sin was committed long before the act occured.

But what about issues such as the Sabbath? The law tells us we are to keep the Sabbath, yet the spirit of the law tells us that Jesus is the Sabbath and our rest is in Him. So should we continually be condemned by Zayit and co. for not resting on a Saturday? That's what's upsetting most of us. Is we're simply getting tired of being judged and condemned by her for not following her interpretation of the law.

[Guest shiloh357]

But to keep the letter you must follow the spirit first

One may commit adultry, but the sin was committed long before the act occured.

You are exactly, right, SuperJew!!

But what about issues such as the Sabbath? The law tells us we are to keep the Sabbath, yet the spirit of the law tells us that Jesus is the Sabbath and our rest is in Him. So should we continually be condemned by Zayit and co. for not resting on a Saturday? That's what's upsetting most of us. Is we're simply getting tired of being judged and condemned by her for not following her interpretation of the law.

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I would hope that Zayit is not saying that we HAVE to keep the Seventh day of the week. That would be overstepping the pale of Scripture.

[Trust & Obey]

Believe it or not, at this point I'm ready to just throw my hands up and say "whatever!"

Jesus Christ has come into my life and transformed me into a new creature. I have been born again by His Spirit. I have been sealed unto the day of redemption.

Are we now going to try and improve upon that with observance of the Law?

So, is it "Jesus + observance of the Law" that now saves?

If anyone thinks so they nead to read the epistles of Galatians and Romans a few times.

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Why does everyone mix Salvation with obedience? This I don't understand,

Please tell me what YOU think "If you love me keep my commandmenst" means to you.

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Zayit, one thing to note here is that nobody is saying "break the law." When we say "you don't have to keep the law" it means for matters of attaining righteousness.

Someone who loves God will want to do what pleases God. It pleases God when we honor Him above anything else, do not covet, lie, etc.

Hence, the spirit of God in us conforms us to the image of Christ. Obedience to the will and nature of God is a byproduct of the work of the spirit within us.

Not a day goes by where I ask myself "did I observe the law of God today?"

However, not a day goes by where I don't ask myself, "is there anything I've done today that has offended God and brought separation between us? Is there anything that I need to confess and repent of before the Lord?"

That is the way we should be thinking.

[Guest Zayit]

No one is saying we can't keep certain customs and traditions. Where we are drawing the line, as Paul did in Galatians (which is not a misunderstanding) is when people say keeping these things makes us better Christians or holier than others. Whether I celebrate Sabbath on a Monday or a Friday has no bearing on my stance with God or how God treats me, for the spirit of the Torah has been observed. Whether I wear a kippot or choose not to does not matter, for so long as I recognize God as the head the spirit of the law has been observed. When you get people like Zayit comming in here telling us that to live holy we have to follow the letter of the law, that is when we turn to Galatians which is where Paul condemns the letter of the law and opts for the spirit of the law. There is no getting around this. The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus and the apostles affirming the spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. SO long as the spirit is observed, who cares?

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SP Customs and traditions are what Yeshua did argue over. please show me where I ever said that being obedient to the walk makes you holier than others?

As far as the spirit of Torah, you cannot take something G-d made Holy and do it your own way, if that were so then gay marriages would be OK in his sight because they are married, nu?

Kippot have nothing to do with Torah either.

And since you addressed me specifically as coming in here, "telling you all" that to live holy you have to follow the letter of the law, I challenge you to show me where I ever said that. EVER. I know you don't believe these laws are still for today but that is a violation of #9 of the 10.

It seems to me that you think the "Spirit of the Law" means your spirit gets to interpret it and have a Burger King faith life, 'Have it your way' well I am sorry to break it to you, G-d isn't like that , His laws were good when he made them and they still are today. His laws are not to be folllowed in shadows or counterfeits, but in Truth.

I am the L-RD thy G-D who brought you out of Egypt the land of Slavery, you are to have no other gods before me.

How do you observe that in the spirit of the law?

[apothanein kerdos]

No one is saying we can't keep certain customs and traditions. Where we are drawing the line, as Paul did in Galatians (which is not a misunderstanding) is when people say keeping these things makes us better Christians or holier than others. Whether I celebrate Sabbath on a Monday or a Friday has no bearing on my stance with God or how God treats me, for the spirit of the Torah has been observed. Whether I wear a kippot or choose not to does not matter, for so long as I recognize God as the head the spirit of the law has been observed. When you get people like Zayit comming in here telling us that to live holy we have to follow the letter of the law, that is when we turn to Galatians which is where Paul condemns the letter of the law and opts for the spirit of the law. There is no getting around this. The New Testament is full of examples of Jesus and the apostles affirming the spirit of the law but not the letter of the law. SO long as the spirit is observed, who cares?

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SP Customs and traditions are what Yeshua did argue over. please show me where I ever said that being obedient to the walk makes you holier than others?

As far as the spirit of Torah, you cannot take something G-d made Holy and do it your own way, if that were so then gay marriages would be OK in his sight because they are married, nu?

Kippot have nothing to do with Torah either.

And since you addressed me specifically as coming in here, "telling you all" that to live holy you have to follow the letter of the law, I challenge you to show me where I ever said that. EVER. I know you don't believe these laws are still for today but that is a violation of #9 of the 10.

It seems to me that you think the "Spirit of the Law" means your spirit gets to interpret it and have a Burger King faith life, 'Have it your way' well I am sorry to break it to you, G-d isn't like that , His laws were good when he made them and they still are today. His laws are not to be folllowed in shadows or counterfeits, but in Truth.

I am the L-RD thy G-D who brought you out of Egypt the land of Slavery, you are to have no other gods before me.

How do you observe that in the spirit of the law?

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See what I mean Shiloh? She's all about the letter of the law. If you don't follow the strict letter of the law then in her mind you don't follow it at all. This is what we are tired of getting accused of.

[Guest Zayit]

Man... why are we so focused on the 'LAW' should we not be more focused on the 'SPIRIT and PROMISE' of God???