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19 minutes ago, nebula said:

Cost of HCQ pills short term for the sick vs cost of "vaccines" to everyone on a recurring basis.

You are comparing apples and oranges. You can’t effectively compare prophylactic and therapeutic treatments. When it comes to therapeutic effectiveness, HCQ is only marginal in the very best light and did a lot more harm than help to individuals with pre-existing heart conditions. There is no comparison between HCQ and paxlovid, the best therapeutic drug available for COVID.


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It’s probably also worth mentioning that “immunity” is really a misnomer when it comes to vaccines. There has never been a vaccine in history that was 100% effective. So the updated CDC definition is a clear improvement in that regard.


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1 hour ago, nebula said:

As for the vaccine classification, why was the definition of "vaccine" changed in Sept. 2021?

I think I accidentally deleted my earlier reply. Basically, there was a new type of vaccine introduced in late 2020. This new type of vaccine was obviously not a big secret, but I suppose it was different enough that the CDC wanted to make sure that people knew that mRNA vaccines were really vaccines. Also, as I mentioned in my other post, the definition was suboptimal already, so a fix was an improvement.

I’ll not be checking back in for a number of hours, but I will be back eventually.


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4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

You are comparing apples and oranges. You can’t effectively compare prophylactic and therapeutic treatments. When it comes to therapeutic effectiveness, HCQ is only marginal in the very best light and did a lot more harm than help to individuals with pre-existing heart conditions. There is no comparison between HCQ and paxlovid, the best therapeutic drug available for COVID.

Why not have the courage to look at the Congressional report?  It mentions Hydroxychloroquine, and how the government misrepresented it.

For that matter, why not mention that any alternatives to the gene therapy shots were disqualified by governments specifically because you cannot have an EUA (emergency use authorized)  'vaccine' if there are viable alternatives?  The government, who had a strong hand in the profit to be made from the mRNA shots, shut down all viable alternatives and vilified all doctors who said they worked. 

The truth has come out over these years.  I doubt anyone believes the official narrative about Covid 19 gene therapies, anymore.

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6 hours ago, nebula said:

:kanoso: Gas lighting at its finest!

You: “Explain this!”

Me: Explains it

You: “Gaslighting!!”

I’m beginning to suspect you are just like Sparks - zero interest in understanding anything, but all about some sort of imaginary contest between “sides”.

Let me try this again. Could you explain your understanding of what a vaccine is and how it works? It would help me pinpoint where your misunderstanding originates.

 


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7 hours ago, Sparks said:

Why not have the courage to look at the Congressional report?

Not engaging with your propaganda is not an issue of courage 😂 

It just isn’t worth either my time or effort (plus, I’m enjoying the fact that it is irritating you). Believe it or not, it is about as rare as a day of the week ending in “y” that one part of government criticizes another.


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6 hours ago, nebula said:

Sure, no reason to believe that the industry is demonizing low cost medication in favor of high cost treatments. No reason whatsoever.

I can think of a couple of good reasons.

1. It is actually effective.

2. It won’t harm patients with heart issues.

You’ll get zero argument from me that the pharmaceutical industry is messed up in the US. That doesn’t mean we should use therapeutic drugs that are pointless or even harmful.


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6 hours ago, nebula said:

so they changed the definition in order to fit the so-called therapeutic.

Well dang, now I have to add “therapeutic” along side “vaccine” and “gaslighting” to the growing list of terms you don’t understand.


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On 12/21/2024 at 9:25 PM, one.opinion said:

Raoult’s paper was pivotal in making people think HCQ was a viable COVID treatment, when it was not.

 

On 12/18/2024 at 12:57 PM, one.opinion said:

Folks, HCQ is NOT an effective COVID treatment.

If you trust your doctor and government mandated shots, take the covid shot and how ever more boosters to keep your comfortable. Your privilege. My privilege is to take my choice for my own health, and share what when and how the drug I take works, or not, and do not apologize for doing so.

Yrs back when the pandemic became known and the anti virus shots became available, I got online and began my research. Not that I didn't trust the government/CDC but that I do not trust any government agency. My wife and I do not take any flu shots or other anti whatever popular drugs. We both work at our own businesses and try to stay fit, as the Lord has blessed.

I heard about HCQ and investigated, what it was and how it was used what for etc, and the history of the drug. Turns out, it is the exact same pill I took EVERY WEEK for two years while I was humping around the Viet Nam jungles, a quinine type anti malarial of sorts, that BOOSTS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.. If taken within 3-5 days after symptoms appear for covid, it will stop the vicious BLOOM that invades/congests the lungs. The CDC evidently did not know this though many doctors (and nurses) did, and were promptly fired if persisted.

Hydroxychloroquine: An old drug with new relevance; The Journal of Medicine.

"Hydroxychloroquine is an immunomodulatory drug that has been used for 60 years to treat malaria and autoimmune diseases such as systemic lupus erythematosus and inflammatory arthritis, and potential new uses and benefits continue to emerge"

It has been declared the miracle drug many years ago. In African countries it is called the Sunday Sunday pill, taken by the people every week to boost the immune system against malarial diseases.

Now why, I wondered, upon learning about this, did our government/CDC suddenly "pull HCQ" off the shelves and make it taboo for treating covid? I figured because it probably worked if used as it was designed and sought it out. Couldn't find any, and suddenly a prescription was needed.

I had to go online out of country to buy a bottle of 60 pills, available previously for under ten bucks, for almost two hundred dollars, which included a $90 online doctor prescription, and over a hundred for the pills. I bought the Ivermectine at a farm and ranch store, non inflated, used as a horse wormer. Another drug squashed by our meddling government.

I say, if something works, don't fix it. My wife and I took HCQ and IVM weekly to boost our immune system, zink, C and D, and some other vitamin also.
When we caught the virus we took two pills per day for a week, then weekly again.
My wife was back to work in five days, myself about eight. Only symptoms that remained was a loss of taste for my wife that lasted a couple of months.

Not all, but most everybody at our church, all my family and extended family/relatives and friends took no shot but the HCQ and IVM. Of all those, only one died who had a pre existing medical issue.

The one key issue that was NOT learned by those learned expert gov hierarchy was that the HCQ and IVM needed to be administered within 3-5 days of symptoms, or take weekly ahead of time, building up the immune system. 

   "National Library of Medicine, Abstract;"

Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors

"Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported.

"Medical error is not included on death certificates or in rankings of cause of death. Martin Makary and Michael Daniel assess its contribution to mortality and call for better reporting"

Think on that a bit......ONLY 10% of medical errors reported.....default_cool2-Copy.gif.c074fed2a7797b993e9b08543ced38fa.gif

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And to make this interesting:
** Big investment firms/venture capitalists are buying up the lucrative private hospitals and clinics across the country, about 60% of them so far. The investment managers immediately sell off al the hospitals assets to give a return for investors, then start cutting doctors/nurses/staff numbers creating overwork and under staffed, creating more errors. PA's/nurses are having to sign off on reports the doctors don't have time to do, and many in the medical field are leaving making matters worse, creating more mistakes.

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8 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Not engaging with your propaganda is not an issue of courage 😂 

It just isn’t worth either my time or effort (plus, I’m enjoying the fact that it is irritating you). Believe it or not, it is about as rare as a day of the week ending in “y” that one part of government criticizes another.

This is why you are stuck in the past and haven't learned anything in all these years.  Isn't it more about the paper being exactly on topic, written by a source you cannot dispute, and that is the precise counter to your argument?

Coincidentally, the flat Earth believers have the same issue about looking at updated discoveries.  They doubt satellite images that show them the shape of the world and other planets, and so long as they refuse to look, I guess they can believe with a clear conscience that the world is flat. 

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