is the Bible complete

[nebula]

I am saying that MAN has taken away from G-d's true and complete word.

(snip)

I am saying if Caiaphas and the rest could crucify our Savior because they feared losing power. Might man do the same thing to G-d's word for the same reasons.

I ask you again - do you have any evidence to back this claim?

And G-d is preserving, and getting, HIS truth out there. That's why I see G-d's hand in just about everything I see, hear, and do. Both in small and significant ways. G-d in HIS eternal wise ways knew that man would screw it up. So he has to get creative, sort of.  I am sorry if I did not mention that before. What parts of HIS complete word. I don't know. It's a nagging suspicion I've had for a long time. A VERY LONG TIME. Thinking 'is this all that there is' and 'is there nothing more'. More to say that man has supressed? Or, more to say that we have not heard yet?

Careful!

May cults and false religions got started this way - "God revealed to me. . . " they all say.

If you don't have a solid standard by which to measure truth by, you can be easily led astray. Try building a home without a level and a tape measure!

In the Old Testament, there are accounts of people who thought they knew the truth of God better than the leader God appointed. In both cases, they were punished severely.

You can read about them here:

Miriam and Aaron

Korah's rebellion

[mikado5001]

I am saying that MAN has taken away from G-d's true and complete word.

I ask you again - do you have any evidence to back this claim?

nebula: If I had evidence beyond a nagging suspicion. We would not be debating this topic. I would be preaching it. Evidence is what, in part, I was seeking from this topic. Either I am right, partially right, or nuts.

[kittylover0991]

lol.. if you had "evidence" of that, i doubt we would be here today at all.. i bet we would be out in the world having a good olde time becaues that woudl mean God was a liar, and then that woudl prove that he wasnt' who he said he was.. and that can be used to say he isnt' real..

look.. David, this "suspicion" is of the devil... he is trying to make you doubt God's word and we are trying to tell you to take a step out by faith and just believe his word

[mikado5001]

lol.. if you had "evidence" of that, i doubt we would be here today at all.. i bet we would be out in the world having a good olde time becaues that woudl mean God was a liar, and then that woudl prove that he wasnt' who he said he was.. and that can be used to say he isnt' real..

look.. David, this "suspicion" is of the devil... he is trying to make you doubt God's word and we are trying to tell you to take a step out by faith and just believe his word

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FOR THE 100'TH TIME G-D IS NOT THE LIAR!!! MAN IS!!! G-d's complete word and truth is out there. Either in the Bible, not yet discovered, or suppressed by those who do not want it discovered. One of the three.

A couple of questions I have had are:

Was Jesus an only child? Yes/No Chapter/Verse

Did Jesus fall in love, and marry?

As G-d's son. Why did he not obey the commandment to go forth and multiply?

Is ANY of the gnostic, Mormon, DaVinci Code true?

Is it possible that there is more to HIM, and from him, than we know now?

And has MAN obscured the REAL TRUTH?

I remember thinking that the only way to G-d was through legalistic religion. And never being told about a personal relationship with G-d. You'd think that such an important aspect of faith would be taught, right? I never was taught that in Temple.

So curiosity and my distrust of most of MANKIND leads me to ask the above.

AGAIN, SAY IT WITH ME!!! G-D IS NOT A LIAR!! G-d said he would preserve, and protect HIS word. And he is. And he is keeping his word. I just can't put my finger on HOW?

Maybe it's the fact that I, as does almost everyone, find his messages everywhere. In music, movies, tv, books, and theater. Messages that might ALL be in the bible. Perhaps HE is just speaking to me in ways that I will hear HIS messages. Maybe that's what leads me to believe there is more of HIS word out there.

Some times I even think that we, as Christians, become so obbsessed with Jesus's death and resurection. That we lose sight of his life here on Earth. I accepted Christ's teaching and ways of loving kindness long before I accepted savation.

[Trektiger Jack]

On Edit:

My post drifted drifted off-topic - sorry.

Jack

Edited August 14, 2005 by Trektiger Jack

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Mikado,

I am probably just repeating someone else's words, but that nagging suspicion you have may be due to your lack of familiarity with the original Bible languages, perhaps languages in general. Not many languages are completely translatable as to the precise meaning, conotations etc, from one language to another. There are some Bibles out there that men have absolutely mutilated the translation, yet most are reliable to convey the truth. Yet with even these good translations, one should use a good concordance and other Bible helps as well as look at several different expositors and weigh their materials carefully. God has not let His Word go void. It does not drop from His lips to the dust, but it performs what He has set it out to do.

So just be diligent in your studies and dig. You will find more truth than you will know what to do with.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[kittylover0991]

lol.. if you had "evidence" of that, i doubt we would be here today at all.. i bet we would be out in the world having a good olde time becaues that woudl mean God was a liar, and then that woudl prove that he wasnt' who he said he was.. and that can be used to say he isnt' real..

look.. David, this "suspicion" is of the devil... he is trying to make you doubt God's word and we are trying to tell you to take a step out by faith and just believe his word

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

FOR THE 100'TH TIME G-D IS NOT THE LIAR!!! MAN IS!!! G-d's complete word and truth is out there. Either in the Bible, not yet discovered, or suppressed by those who do not want it discovered. One of the three.

A couple of questions I have had are:

Was Jesus an only child? Yes/No Chapter/Verse

Did Jesus fall in love, and marry?

As G-d's son. Why did he not obey the commandment to go forth and multiply?

Is ANY of the gnostic, Mormon, DaVinci Code true?

Is it possible that there is more to HIM, and from him, than we know now?

And has MAN obscured the REAL TRUTH?

I remember thinking that the only way to G-d was through legalistic religion. And never being told about a personal relationship with G-d. You'd think that such an important aspect of faith would be taught, right? I never was taught that in Temple.

So curiosity and my distrust of most of MANKIND leads me to ask the above.

AGAIN, SAY IT WITH ME!!! G-D IS NOT A LIAR!! G-d said he would preserve, and protect HIS word. And he is. And he is keeping his word. I just can't put my finger on HOW?

Maybe it's the fact that I, as does almost everyone, find his messages everywhere. In music, movies, tv, books, and theater. Messages that might ALL be in the bible. Perhaps HE is just speaking to me in ways that I will hear HIS messages. Maybe that's what leads me to believe there is more of HIS word out there.

Some times I even think that we, as Christians, become so obbsessed with Jesus's death and resurection. That we lose sight of his life here on Earth. I accepted Christ's teaching and ways of loving kindness long before I accepted savation.

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David, I am not calling God and liar and you just proving my point. I am saying that if God didn't preserve his word, then he is a liar. Like you said, he is not a liar. The conclusion, God preserved his word and it is complete

How? God is God! How does he do anything! He is the creator of the Universe.. how did he create the Universe? I dont' know how he did it.. but he preserved his word

[Leonard]

Leonard: Considering it was "Men of G-d" who carried out the inquisition(s). Among other fiendish acts. Is it possible that those same "Men of G-d", or "Men of G-d" like them are responsible for the textual continuity errors I spoke of?

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[nebula]

nebula: If I had evidence beyond a nagging suspicion. We would not be debating this topic. I would be preaching it. Evidence is what, in part, I was seeking from this topic. Either I am right, partially right, or nuts.

OK, well, so far everyone has posted reasons why it is most highly unlikely that the Bible was not altered.

What does that tell you?

[mikado5001]

David, I am not calling God and liar and you just proving my point. I am saying that if God didn't preserve his word, then he is a liar. Like you said, he is not a liar. The conclusion, God preserved his word and it is complete

How? God is God! How does he do anything! He is the creator of the Universe.. how did he create the Universe? I dont' know how he did it.. but he preserved his word

That's one of the burning questions for me. How did G-d go about preserving his true and complete word? In what can we find it? And protect it from those who would do it damage?

And just another question. Does anybody, like me, think that there is more out there to be found? Or have we got it all.

nebula: If I had evidence beyond a nagging suspicion. We would not be debating this topic. I would be preaching it. Evidence is what, in part, I was seeking from this topic. Either I am right, partially right, or nuts.

OK, well, so far everyone has posted reasons why it is most highly unlikely that the Bible was not altered.

What does that tell you?

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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BLESSED ME, AND I'VE BEEN BLESSED BY THIS THREAD!!!

This is definatly one time in life when I pray I am wrong!!! Except about the there is more out there part. Scripture waiting to be discovered to bless us even more than we are now.