is the Bible complete

[kittylover0991]

How did God go about preserving his word? well... this is what i know..

Through i think over about a thousand years, and using abotu 40 writers, God inspired man to write the various books of the bible. Man wrote what God told him to right. Somehow, by the grace of God, it was all put together. Since that time, King James ordered scholars to translate the bible into English as English woudl sooon become to most spoken language in the world. I hold a KJV in my hands, and I belive it is the unaltered word of God. Throughout this time, since it was translated, these bibles have been printed over and over and sold, and it is sold in stores today. Many died for the bible... but God kept his word through his man... that is how you hold it today...

If anyone can add anything else.. go ahead

David, make sense?

[mikado5001]

How did God go about preserving his word? well... this is what i know..

Through i think over about a thousand years, and using abotu 40 writers, God inspired man to write the various books of the bible.

Edited August 13, 2005 by mikado5001

[nebula]

Is ANY of the gnostic, Mormon, DaVinci Code true?

The Discovery Channel did a show about the DaVinci code last night.

See here

The host analyzed I believe every "clue" given in the book.

All he was able to find is that every claim is unverifiable. He found stories built on stories with no source, hoaxed documents, a mistold legend, and the like - and a lot of artistic liscense in interpeting pictures and windows and the like.

Maybe you should check it out when it airs again.

[mikado5001]

Is ANY of the gnostic, Mormon, DaVinci Code true?

The Discovery Channel did a show about the DaVinci code last night.

See here

The host analyzed I believe every "clue" given in the book.

All he was able to find is that every claim is unverifiable. He found stories built on stories with no source, hoaxed documents, a mistold legend, and the like - and a lot of artistic liscense in interpeting pictures and windows and the like.

Maybe you should check it out when it airs again.

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Among the LORD'S bountifull blessings before, and since salvation. Sadly, and ironically, joyfully Cable has not been amongst them.

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mikado,

The Bible is not an errant book.  Most, if not all, of the Bible "errors" can be explained logically.  As a matter of fact, 99% of the Bibles today are in agreement.  Most of the "errors" are differences in punctuation, the order of words, grammatical issues or word endings.  These are the types of "errors" that may have occurred during the transcription of the Bible the thousands of times it's been copied...

The Bible we have today is very closely the same as the original texts of 2000 years ago.

As a Christian, we either need to believe that the Bible is the true, inerrant Word of God and that every word of it is true and applies just as much today as it did when it was written... or that's it's just one fantastic novel.  There is no picking it apart.  To believe one part and not another is a lot of people's way of trying to justify their wanting to believe what they want to believe and that's it. 

Hi Keith, I agree with you about the DaVinci code, but other than that, you have some serious misinformation in your post. When you say "The Bible is not an errant book", WHICH "Bible" are you referring to? There are at least 100 different English Bibles out there now and they disagree with each other in meanings in hundreds of verses - I can prove this. And some of them differ from others in the TEXTS by literally thousands of words, many whole verses found in some but missing in others.

Which Bible or text out there do you really think is now the complete, inerrant and 100% true preserved words of God? Where can we get a copy of it? Give it a name, please. Or is this just some mystical bible that exists in your own mind that differs from everybody else's "bible"?

Will K

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It shows that when translating from Greek to English there is an inspired residue, or untranslatable items, that is left over. Doesn't show the bible is incomplete.

Hi SuperJew, May I ask you what exactly you mean by "The Bible", and which one out there are you talking about when you say it is complete?

Let me give you one example of literally hundreds I know about. In what is commonly called the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6 in verse 13 we read these words of the Lord Jesus Christ: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

All these words are found in versions like Tyndale, the Geneva Bible, the NKJV, Young's, the Spanish Reina Valera, the Italian Diodati, and Luther's German, to name just a few, Yet these words are omitted by versions like the NIV, RSV, ESV and Holman. The NASB puts them in brackets indicating they are not "original".

Now, the Lord Jesus said "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." This is either a true statement, or He lied to us. So, which of these bibles contains the complete words of God and which are missing something?

This is only one small example. There are 17 entire verses missing from the NIV in the N.T. alone, and the RSV omits about 40 of them. The ESV omits 18 whole verses from the NT, and the NASB, depending on which of the ever changing editions you happen to have, will either contain several whole verses in {brackets} or else they too are missing from the text.

Which "Bible" out there are you referring to that is complete?

Will K

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I have to agree with Super Jew and others, the Word of God which we now have is complete for the purposes which God has intended it.

I don't have any problem with most translations or transliterations of the Bible because I look to the "original" Greek or Hebrew AND since God is consistent, that is He never changes, we can verify a particular tenet or doctrine by its replication in the scriptures.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Hi Ernie, do you believe any Bible or any text in any language IS the complete, inerrant words of God? I see you mentioned you go to the "original" Greek and Hebrew. Of course, you are aware that there are no originals, and there is much confusion about which readings are part of the Bible and which are not. Then we have the problem of how to translate the texts once we decide which ones we think are right, and the translations often come up with wildly different meanings.

Want me to prove this? Very easy. And then we have the issue of WHY do such versions as the NIV, NASB, RSV, ESV and Holman ALL often reject the Hebrew texts and either make up their own, or else follow the alleged Greek LXX, the Syriac or the Latin Vulgate?

What proof of these accusations? I will be happy to provide you with the evidence.

I agree with you that we need to compare Scripture with Scripture to get the correct doctrines, but we have to combine all verses on a particular topic. Which Bible version do you personally think is the best out there that matches the non-existent and never seen "originals" you say you study?

Please give it a name, and I believe I can show you where it definitely teaches false doctrine somewhere.

Only the King James Bible is the 100% pure and inerrant words of God. If you don't believe this, then your position is necessarily that there is no inerrant Bible on this earth and God lied to us.

God bless,

Will K

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How did God go about preserving his word? well... this is what i know..

Through i think over about a thousand years, and using abotu 40 writers, God inspired man to write the various books of the bible.  Man wrote what God told him to right.  Somehow, by the grace of God, it was all put together.  Since that time, King James ordered scholars to translate the bible into English as English woudl sooon become to most spoken language in the world.  I hold a KJV in my hands, and I belive it is the unaltered word of God.

Hi kittylover, I have been reading the posts here and you are the only one I have seen so far who knows what is, and where are the true words of God today. It is always nice to run into another Bible believer who does not mumble stuff about "the originals" and "reliable but flawed versions". Instead of relying on the Bible of the Month club's multiple-choice, conflicting and contradictory, ballpark approximations of what God may or may not have said, you on the other hand believe the Book you hold in your hands and don't try to change it according to your own understanding.

May God continue to increase your faith and understanding. May He also be pleased to open the eyes of more of His people in these days of unbelief and pride in scholarship.

Your brother in Christ,

Will Kinney

[kittylover0991]

How did God go about preserving his word? well... this is what i know..

Through i think over about a thousand years, and using abotu 40 writers, God inspired man to write the various books of the bible.

[kittylover0991]

is the Bible complete

Yes. Anyone who can create all things, is perfectly cabable of instructing men what to write down in His book and publish it all over the world!

It's not a problem for God! He can handle it!

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Amen Rockerz