Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[one.opinion]

 

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

You realize, you have no proof of the lineages you described about age, or that we are from apes.

Interestingly, the DNA evidence you won't look at and the fossil evidence you won't look at support this same conclusion. I also hesitate to call it "proof", but the evidence is strong and the evidence is there.

2 minutes ago, Sparks said:

By the way, DNA barcoding shows we all showed up at 100,000 years ago, according to mDNA.  That's to say, just about every 'kind' of animal you can name did not evolve from one another, but showed up at about the same time.

Did you read that white paper? 

So you refuse to engage with the evidence, yet continue to tell yourself that you are open minded, breezing on past to your next argument rather than taking a serious look. You may be able to fool yourself, but I doubt you are fooling anyone reading the thread.

You seem to have forgotten, but I already debunked this claim. The mitochondrial barcoding - at best - shows us a most recent common ancestor (MRCA). It does not show us anything about previous generations prior to that MRCA. I don't know why you've brought this up again, because you don't believe the erroneous conclusion in the first place! You are attempting to use something you don't even believe as evidence.

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

Interestingly, the DNA evidence you won't look at and the fossil evidence you won't look at support this same conclusion. I also hesitate to call it "proof", but the evidence is strong and the evidence is there.

Don't mistake my not playing fetch the stick with my refusing to view something.  If you have evidence, state it and back it.   

By the way, where did you dig up that 5 million years claim, because that's not evidence, that's day dreaming.

You're right about proof, since proofs only work in math, but not science.

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So you refuse to engage with the evidence, yet continue to tell yourself that you are open minded, breezing on past to your next argument rather than taking a serious look. You may be able to fool yourself, but I doubt you are fooling anyone reading the thread.

OK, if there is evidence in your link, post it.  Again, don't send me to do your leg work.  Explain where you got the 99% from, and whether it also affects weasels.  Show me the test results, peer reviewed, as if they tested all viruses on apes.

Do you not understand the difference between speculation (5 millions years) and observation (you saw it with your own eyes using a time machine)?

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

You seem to have forgotten, but I already debunked this claim. The mitochondrial barcoding - at best - shows us a most recent common ancestor (MRCA).

It shows NO common ancestor.  We have no common ancestor.  Again, speculation.  You have debunked nothing.

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

I would say a trillion, myself. 

You realize, you have no proof of the lineages you described about age, or that we are from apes.  This is the problem with your evidence.  It's actually speculation.

Hey sparks what you said here intrigued me some what, I’m curious on what your thoughts on the Bible verse that says God created man from dirt. do you think it was a process or a instantaneous event or take an hour or two or something else?

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[Sparks]

12 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Hey sparks what you said here intrigued me some what, I’m curious on what you thoughts on the Bible verse that says God created man from dirt. do you think it was a process or a instantaneous event or take an hour or two or something else?

Guessing Instantly.

God made all the land animals from dirt, but He breathed into the dirt from which Adam was made; something unique for humans.  It's why we are made in His image.

[BeyondET]

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Instant. 

God made all the land animals from dirt, but He breathed into the dirt from which Adam was made; something unique for humans.  It's why we are made in His image.

I understand that but when it comes to actually creating the physical body of man how was it done in what fashion. Scripture does point to first creating the physical frame then the breath is applied. gen 2 goes into a tad bit more detail. from the verse the nostrils was formed before the breath applied.

gen 2

7Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

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[Sparks]

1 minute ago, BeyondET said:

I understand that but when it comes to actually creating the physical body of man how was it done in what fashion. Scripture does point to first creating the physical frame then the breath.

Your asking how God does things, precisely.  I don't know how He whips up a zebra precisely except that He needs only speak something into existence, and it happens. 

Universe means Uni = one, verse = sentence. 

I am guessing that it's instantly, but if you want to imagine Him in a cooking smock, baking up a batch of humans and zebras, I guess that's OK. 

 

[BeyondET]

17 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Your asking how God does things, precisely.  I don't know how He whips up a zebra precisely except that He needs only speak something into existence, and it happens. 

Universe means Uni = one, verse = sentence. 

I am guessing that it's instantly, but if you want to imagine Him in a cooking smock, baking up a batch of humans and zebras, I guess that's OK. 

 

Yes that is something that isn’t easy to explain in precise detail. yet not to be rude but a guess is closely tied to a speculation. To imagine God whipping up a dust devil and forming man in a instant seems I don’t know just curious. I do imagine God has great joy in creating living things why would he do anything in an instant doesn’t quite seem logical especially living a eternal life where time is no factor.

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[Sparks]

7 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Yes that is something that isn’t easy to explain in precise detail. yet not to be rude but a guess is closely tied to a speculation. To imagine God whipping up a dust devil and forming man in a instant seems I don’t know just curious. I do imagine God has great joy in creating living things why would he do anything in an instant doesn’t quite seem logical especially living a eternal life where time is no factor.

A guess is exactly speculation.   We cannot understand God's ways.  He even told us that.  We must speculate, and so I tell you outright I am just guessing.  No one knows. 

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

[BeyondET]

16 minutes ago, Sparks said:

A guess is exactly speculation.   We cannot understand God's ways.  He even told us that.  We must speculate, and so I tell you outright I am just guessing.  No one knows. 

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Yes I agree though somewhere in Isaiah it does say (come now let us reason together), so rather it’s of idols or sin or creation or any other things we may ponder on, there’s nothing wrong with seeking even if the answer isn’t given. I think the wrong path in the evolution theory is that it’s done without any intelligent design, that clearly doesn’t fly with me. Talk of the processes is just that but to deny a Creator is something totally different.

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[Sparks]

17 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The Bible talks about the perfect day: "But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day". (Proverbs 4:18) Clearly God's work of perfection in our lives is taking more than a literal 24 hour day. Yet the day will arrive when we are perfected. 

What are you talking about?