Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[Sparks]

11 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

You are talking about continental drift. I am talking about plate tectonics.

I am talking about a theory that seems to have no evidence, and fake map.

[Sparks]

11 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Hubble uses the same math we use for GPS.  We know how wild that can be and some of the places that takes people. People have to put up a sign that says: This is a private road, I do not care what your GPS is telling you. 

I am not sure what you mean here.  We were talking about Trigonomic Parallax, and it's limitations.

I guess you are saying they cannot get GPS right either?  Yeah, my GPS has taken me to some strange places.

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Are you kidding me?

 

You don't think Jesus knows when HE, let me repeat that HE was the ONE WHO did the CREATING?

 

You're out of context because Jesus also tells us to believe Moses.  And what Book did Moses write again?  GENESIS!

A digression to the thread, but then this thread has digressed many times already...

This is an interesting area to ponder. Your stance would imply that Jesus had full access to all of the knowledge and understanding of God, the Father. But is this really the case? Jesus was also fully human. And we humans certainly do not have that access to anything like that. When we read the well-known passage of the humility of Christ in Phillipians 2:

"5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

... does the humbling himself include putting aside that access to knowledge? I don't have a great answer for that. The reading of the gospels does not give a clear indication about those extents.

Jesus was born and raised a Jewish person and would have been told the stories of the Old Testament since his youth - thoroughly steeped in the OT. I don't doubt the transcendent truths of the Genesis either because they are separate from the mechanics of how the earth came to be and how old it is. 

[teddyv]

9 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

I will go out on a limb here and admit, that if life should continue to exist for another 250 millions years,  I can buy the ideas behind these videos.

Well, like anything that gets extrapolated out, any small errors introduced early on will undoubtedly be magnified. There would be other unaccountable variables as well. It is just a simulation. I'm sure they simply took the existing plate vectors and extended it.

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

Are you kidding me?

No, I'm not kidding at all. The verse is taken out of context when people insist that it is referring to creation, rather than God's ordained union of Adam and Eve.

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

You don't think Jesus knows when HE, let me repeat that HE was the ONE WHO did the CREATING?

I never claimed Jesus did not know when He created. I am claiming that if one actually looks at the context of the passage, rather than picking out a single verse, it seems much more likely that since Jesus was asked about marriage, His response was about marriage.

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

You're out of context because Jesus also tells us to believe Moses.  And what Book did Moses write again?  GENESIS!

Yes. I believe Jesus and I believe Genesis. What I don't believe is that the creation account in Genesis 1 refers to literal 24 hour days. So many people do not attempt to understand the difference between "I don't believe what the Bible says" and "I disagree with you about your interpretation of this specific passage". The lack of charity is tiresome.

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

A digression to the thread, but then this thread has digressed many times already...

This is an interesting area to ponder. Your stance would imply that Jesus had full access to all of the knowledge and understanding of God, the Father. But is this really the case? Jesus was also fully human. And we humans certainly do not have that access to anything like that. When we read the well-known passage of the humility of Christ in Phillipians 2:

"5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

... does the humbling himself include putting aside that access to knowledge? I don't have a great answer for that. The reading of the gospels does not give a clear indication about those extents.

Jesus was born and raised a Jewish person and would have been told the stories of the Old Testament since his youth - thoroughly steeped in the OT. I don't doubt the transcendent truths of the Genesis either because they are separate from the mechanics of how the earth came to be and how old it is. 

Jesus is John 1:1 the WORD.

Jesus is what Paul claims in Colossians 1:15 the Visible IMAGE to the Invisible God.

Jesus is what Paul claims in Hebrews the [Express Image] to God.

Jesus is God!

Before Jesus was ever Jesus we see Him in Exodus talking to Moses in a Burning bush telling Moses He is both Elohim and I AM.

 

6And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim.       14Elohim said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"         ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

Well, like anything that gets extrapolated out, any small errors introduced early on will undoubtedly be magnified. There would be other unaccountable variables as well. It is just a simulation. I'm sure they simply took the existing plate vectors and extended it.

I am sold on it!

[Guest kingdombrat]

45 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

No, I'm not kidding at all. The verse is taken out of context when people insist that it is referring to creation, rather than God's ordained union of Adam and Eve.

slowly reread this verse.

6 But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

What does [From the Beginning of Creation] mean to you?

 

[teddyv]

4 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Jesus is John 1:1 the WORD.

Jesus is what Paul claims in Colossians 1:15 the Visible IMAGE to the Invisible God.

Jesus is what Paul claims in Hebrews the [Express Image] to God.

Jesus is God!

Before Jesus was ever Jesus we see Him in Exodus talking to Moses in a Burning bush telling Moses He is both Elohim and I AM.

 

Yes, I know. But those refer to him before his appearance on earth. When he was on earth he was fully human. All I'm asking is, does Jesus, being made human, impose limitations? He certainly humbled himself to be a servant when found as human. He was tempted as we are. 

[one.opinion]

9 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

6 But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female.

What does [From the Beginning of Creation] mean to you?

This is clearly a reference to Genesis 1, a passage His questioners would be very familiar with. So in response to their question, He refers back to Adam and Eve. This is not inarguable support of a Young Earth Creation, it is a reference His audience would be familiar with to illustrate His point.