Should I Tell My Non-Christian Friends God has Determined Them to Go to Hell?

[David1701]

17 hours ago, Waggles said:

In the context of the OP on Calvinism and predestination - bit like Star Wars: "It is your destiny Luke!" (in a deep voice)

What do my learned colleagues make of the following? (especially you @Uber Genius as it is your thread)

Matt 22:9  Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ 
10  And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests. 
11  “But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment. 
12  And he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 
13  Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 
14  For many are called, but few are chosen.” 

My reading is that many will become Christians but not all will obtain the salvation of their souls.

So predestination is about all or only those who 'make it' ?? 

 

Many respond to the preaching of the gospel, with apparent acceptance; but, not all of those have been born again.  Congregations are normally a mixture of saved and unsaved; but, most of them think that they're saved.

2 Pet. 2:20-22 (VW)

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the full true knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog returns to his own vomit, and, a sow, having been washed, to her wallowing in the mire.

These people had true knowledge of the Lord; but they did not have a new nature.  They were still "pigs" and "dogs" (unclean animals), so they returned to what their nature desires.

[Sower]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

Rom. 10:14-17 (VW)

14 How then shall they call on Him into whom they do not believe? And how shall they believe Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without preaching?
15 And how shall they preach if they are not sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those preaching the gospel of peace, bringing glad tidings of good things.

Golden nuggets of truth to inspire anyone considering the believers calling.
Sharing the good news, to who so ever  will.

Till the soil, to receive the seed.

[Marathoner]

To furnish a simple answer to the question posed in the title of this topic, no. Who knows the will and purpose of God unless the Almighty sees fit to reveal this to us? I was 26 years old when the Spirit of the Lord came to me, a stranger to the faith who was ignorant of the Lord and His ways.

I was "in the world" in every sense of the word having already been condemned by a close relative, the only one who professed Christianity, and I confess that their conduct puzzled me greatly. Indeed, Christians in general puzzled me and I didn't know what to make of their religion and ways. I brushed it off and continued on my seemingly aimless path through life. 

When I write, "Who knew?," here's what I mean by that:

Who knew that my path through life wasn't as aimless as it seemed? 
Who knew that the Lord chose me before I was born?
Who knew that when the Spirit spoke I would hear His voice, and that I would drop everything to seek Jesus Christ?

Only the Lord, for He revealed this to no man. 

Life as I knew it ended --- and subsequently began --- the day that Christ Jesus claimed me as His own. Nothing was ever the same to the glory of God. His work in me started unfolding on that day. 

Turn away from condemnation remembering that vengeance belongs to the Lord: He will repay. It's our place to love our neighbor no matter who they are... to forgive others as our Father forgives us... and to look after the fatherless and the widows. 

 

 

[Guest clancy]

47 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Many respond to the preaching of the gospel, with apparent acceptance; but, not all of those have been born again.  Congregations are normally a mixture of saved and unsaved; but, most of them think that they're saved.

2 Pet. 2:20-22 (VW)

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the full true knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog returns to his own vomit, and, a sow, having been washed, to her wallowing in the mire.

These people had true knowledge of the Lord; but they did not have a new nature.  They were still "pigs" and "dogs" (unclean animals), so they returned to what their nature desires.

Hi David, hope you don’t mind my questioning, just trying to learn and understand,?

 

Can you explain ,how a person, can “ think that they are saved” how do they do that?

[David1701]

58 minutes ago, Sower said:

Golden nuggets of truth to inspire anyone considering the believers calling.
Sharing the good news, to who so ever  will.
Till the soil, to receive the seed.

Actually, we are to share the gospel with everyone, whether willing or not.  We only sow the seed (the word of God) but it is God who gives the increase.

[David1701]

39 minutes ago, clancy said:

Hi David, hope you don’t mind my questioning, just trying to learn and understand,?

 

I don't mind at all.

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Can you explain ,how a person, can “ think that they are saved” how do they do that?

It can happen in different ways.  One common one is that someone tells the person ABC (Accept that you are a sinner, Believe that Christ died for you, Commit yourself to him), then tells the person to "Pray this prayer after me.".  The person does so, but without having been born again, without turning from sin to God and without genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

The "evangelist" (who has not shared the gospel properly) then tells the person that, if he was sincere, he is saved and not to let anyone make him doubt it.  He also tells him that he should start to attend a local church.

The person starts attending a church, learns the lingo, starts reading the Bible and joining in with the activities; but he has not had a change of nature.  He reforms his outward life, getting rid of outrageous sins, but without a real love for God, desire to please him or fellowship with him.

This is a pig who has been washed (removing outward filth, but without a change of nature).  This pig, sooner or later, will return to wallowing in the mire, because that is still his nature.

There are many such people in the churches.

[Guest clancy]

18 minutes ago, David1701 said:

I don't mind at all.

It can happen in different ways.  One common one is that someone tells the person ABC (Accept that you are a sinner, Believe that Christ died for you, Commit yourself to him), then tells the person to "Pray this prayer after me.".  The person does so, but without having been born again, without turning from sin to God and without genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

The "evangelist" (who has not shared the gospel properly) then tells the person that, if he was sincere, he is saved and not to let anyone make him doubt it.  He also tells him that he should start to attend a local church.

The person starts attending a church, learns the lingo, starts reading the Bible and joining in with the activities; but he has not had a change of nature.  He reforms his outward life, getting rid of outrageous sins, but without a real love for God, desire to please him or fellowship with him.

This is a pig who has been washed (removing outward filth, but without a change of nature).  This pig, sooner or later, will return to wallowing in the mire, because that is still his nature.

There are many such people in the churches.

Thank you David, that was an eye opening read...?

[Sower]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

2 hours ago, Sower said:

Golden nuggets of truth to inspire anyone considering the believers calling.
Sharing the good news, to who so ever  will.
Till the soil, to receive the seed.

Actually, we are to share the gospel with everyone, whether willing or not.  We only sow the seed (the word of God) but it is God who gives the increase.

Actually, that is what I said, or at least thought everyone would understand that.
I plant seed wherever, whenever, whomever, as the opportunity arises.
To whosoever will....receive it, or not!
I know as does every believer that it is God only that saves.
But we are a "part' of His plan, as He has written;

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
Romans 10:13-15

cool, huh David........:)

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Yes, mere intellectual assent is not salvific belief. Neither is mere feel-good emotional believism. Neither is rote behavior. All of that is merely works of flesh that delude. 

Amen.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

Actually, that is what I said, or at least thought everyone would understand that.
I plant seed wherever, whenever, whomever, as the opportunity arises.
To whosoever will....receive it, or not!

What do you mean by "to whosoever will"?

The word "whosoever" ("whoever", in modern English) is a limiting word, especially when accompanied by a modifier like "believeth".

Jn. 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Here, the "whosoever believeth" limits the not perishing but having eternal life, to only those who believe (a relatively small subset of humanity).  It is designed to be a limiting expression and people in the 1600s, when the KJV was translated, would have understood that. 

This is why I queried what you posted.  I assumed that you were using the expression correctly, in a limiting sense (i.e. that you meant that we were to limit our preaching of the gospel to those who were willing).  I am glad that you don't believe that.

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I know as does every believer that it is God only that saves.
But we are a "part' of His plan, as He has written;

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
Romans 10:13-15

cool, huh David........:)

 

Amen to all this.

Edited February 13, 2021 by David1701
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