THE ESSENCE OF JESUS MESSAGE

[Waggles]

10 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Get a Divine Council worldview by watching or reading: "The Unseen Realm" by Dr Heiser. It will make even more sense then.

I have a few of his books, which first began with 'The Unseen Realm.'

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” – Hamlet

I found much that Michael Heiser wrote about was already understood and taught in Pentecostalism. Obviously not as academic with citing Biblical studies, but nevertheless a reasonable acknowledgement that there are many players in the spiritual realm (for and against us).

Edited February 19, 2021 by Waggles

[Questioning]

22 hours ago, Waggles said:

I have a few of his books, which first began with 'The Unseen Realm.'

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” – Hamlet

I found much that Michael Heiser wrote about was already understood and taught in Pentecostalism. Obviously not as academic with citing Biblical studies, but nevertheless a reasonable acknowledgement that there are many players in the spiritual realm (for and against us).

I am familiar with his work and knew about the sub-gods.  I am looking entirely outside the biblical God and religion.   In the big picture of religion they are fairly late comers.  

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Questioning

[Waggles]

17 minutes ago, Questioning said:

I am familiar with his work and knew about the sub-gods.  I am looking entirely outside the biblical God and religion.   In the big picture of religion they are fairly late comers.  

 

Sorry you lost me. What are you writing here?

[Questioning]

9 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Sorry you lost me. What are you writing here?

In the big picture of religions, the history of all religions and gods, they are late comers.

[Waggles]

1 minute ago, Questioning said:

In the big picture of religions, the history of all religions and gods, they are late comers.

Who are they?

[Questioning]

2 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Who are they?

Zeus is the only one who comes to mind immediately.  In earliest history there were hundreds(?).  I have to go to work.  Google "who were the earliest gods?"

[Questioning]

Better yet is "the timeline of religion" in Wikipedia.

[Waggles]

6 minutes ago, Questioning said:

Better yet is "the timeline of religion" in Wikipedia.

That is a very secular source and whilst a timeline of religious worship, burials and writings in the end it is irrelevant to the truth of God and Heaven.

Proverbs 8:1  Does not wisdom call? Does not understanding raise her voice? 
4  “To you, O men, I call, and my cry is to the children of man. 
5  O simple ones, learn prudence; O fools, learn sense. 
6  Hear, for I will speak noble things, and from my lips will come what is right, 
7  for my mouth will utter truth; wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 
8  All the words of my mouth are righteous; there is nothing twisted or crooked in them. 
9  They are all straight to him who understands, and right to those who find knowledge. 
10  Take my instruction instead of silver, and knowledge rather than choice gold, 
11  for wisdom is better than jewels, and all that you may desire cannot compare with her. 

22  “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. 
23  Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth. 
24  When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water. 
25  Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth, 
26  before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world. 
27  When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, 
28  when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, 
29  when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth, 
30  then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always, 
31  rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the children of man. 
32  “And now, O sons, listen to me: blessed are those who keep my ways. 
33  Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it. 
34  Blessed is the one who listens to me, watching daily at my gates, waiting beside my doors. 
35  For whoever finds me finds life and obtains favour from the LORD, 
36  but he who fails to find me injures himself; all who hate me love death.” 
 

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, Questioning said:

Better yet is "the timeline of religion" in Wikipedia.

Better still, "In the beginning God . . ."

[Questioning]

My bad about Zeus.  He wasn't older.   Here are some other timelines.  

oxfordreference.com   Timeline: Religion

ancient.eu    Mythology Timeline

timelineindex.com     Religion-Timeline index

 

Don't you guys realize if you had been born in India, to a devout Hindu family, and had never looked seriously at other religions, you would believe Hinduism was the one true religion?  If you haven't looked at the evidence for all religions, how do you know you have the "true" one?   

I guess the difference between us is that I prayed to God to help me open my mind, and help me discern truth.  And you must be praying for faith in what you were born into.  Truth is found by looking at all the evidence.  And truth stands alone. It doesn't need to be protected from outside information, and I think that is what I see here.  Are you scared to look outside your version of Christianity?