Believers and non believers; what's the difference?

[luigi]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

Socialism is an economic system (like capitalism) not a political system

The early Christian movement in Jerusalem in the book of Acts where everyone shared all they had, was neither economically based or politically based, it was loving one another based.

[Riverwalker]

35 minutes ago, luigi said:

The early Christian movement in Jerusalem in the book of Acts where everyone shared all they had, was neither economically based or politically based, it was loving one another based.

Please provide the scripture that says this. 

I read that they agreed to share (until Ananias and Sapphira messed things up) but I really don't see the words "It was based on loving one another"  It was just everyone sharing and meeting the needs. Please be precise when putting forth an idea

Acts4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.

 

 

 

[Peterlag]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

How can you be 'dead' when Christ is life?  Sure, the flesh may be dead, but dead flesh has nothing to do with BECOMING/BEING MADE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE, a new creature. 

Dead, death, darkness those are ALL of EVIL, not of Christ.  

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

  

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death UNTO LIFE. 

 

WE ARE RISEN WITH CHRIST WHEN WE ACCEPT HIM, 
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry

Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience

Colossians 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

 

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ.

 

The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

 

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real.

 

So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once a person is in Christ.

[Peterlag]

47 minutes ago, luigi said:

If you are in sync with Christs Spirit, you then would believe IN love and not hate.

 

 

When did I preach hate?

[luigi]

26 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Please provide the scripture that says this. 

I read that they agreed to share (until Ananias and Sapphira messed things up) but I really don't see the words "It was based on loving one another"  It was just everyone sharing and meeting the needs. Please be precise when putting forth an idea

Acts4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.

 

 

 

Where I read in scriptures the multitude being of one heart and one soul, I interpret their seeing each other as themselves, and thereby loved one another.

How anyone can take this scripture and connote their having initiated a new economic or political agenda, is not the Way of Christ, which is to love the body/church of Christ.

[luigi]

28 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

When did I preach hate?

You didn't. I put the example there previously, which you did not respond to.

[Riverwalker]

11 minutes ago, luigi said:

Where I read in scriptures the multitude being of one heart and one soul, I interpret their seeing each other as themselves, and thereby loved one another.

How anyone can take this scripture and connote their having initiated a new economic or political agenda, is not the Way of Christ, which is to love the body/church of Christ.

There is no private interpretation, you cannot add or subtract meaning from the word. It must be taken as is.  It can only be interpreted by other scripture. and while I see Jesus talking about helping people in need is love, no where does it say communal sharing is. A small, but important point. Do not add your emotions to scripture

[Peterlag]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

I do agree with you that to be IN Christ is to be with Him in the Spirit. And to be with Christ in the Spirit, I must believe IN and ON what Christ believes and professes, which is love.

Let me ask you a simple question: If I say I believe in Christ, but I love attending some individuals hate rallies; do I believe IN love, or do I believe in hate, and am therefore Antichrist? 

I did respond to this but you did not understand what I said. You asked a carnal question and I gave you a spiritual answer. I don't live my life thinking in terms of love or hate rallies. I walk in the spirit and the spirit of Christ does not hate.

 

[Logostician]

Many of the responses here have have hit the nail on the head.  The key is love.  It stirs my heart to see others who see this clearly.  I love you for loving.  Peace to you.

1 Jno 4:16

And we have KNOWN and BELIEVED the LOVE that God hath to us.  God is LOVE, and he who dwelleth in LOVE, dwelleth in God, and God in him.

To truly beleive in all it depth means to beleive not just with the mind but with the whole heart and soul as well.  Dwelling in love means living in love, and having love live in you.  These are the works James talks about in his epistle.  James is not talking about works of the law, He is talking about works of love that proceed from the inside out.  Indwelling love yields visible love toward our neighbors.

Jesus looks right into our hearts.  He knows if we truly beleive in him with complete trust and love.  He knows if we have truly given all of ourself to him, and are living in him, and he in us.

Rom 10:10

For with the HEART man BELIEVETH unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

Love precedes the wedding vow, and love makes the vow true.  We are the bride of Christ.

[luigi]

28 minutes ago, Peterlag said:

I did respond to this but you did not understand what I said. You asked a carnal question and I gave you a spiritual answer. I don't live my life thinking in terms of love or hate rallies. I walk in the spirit and the spirit of Christ does not hate.

 

Someone who believes IN Christ and is IN Christ, having the Spirit of Christ, does not believe in the hating of others. Those who attend hate rallies, though they may claim themselves believers in Christ, and saved, and in the Spirit of Christ, are in fact not believers IN Christ, but are believers IN Anti Christ, that which is opposite to Christ.

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by luigi