Applying Ocaam's Razor to the Creation/Evolution Discussion

[one.opinion]

I accept the premise that God is responsible for red shift. He is Creator of all things, after all. However, the best physical explanation of red shift remains the Big Bang. The most reasonable conclusion to what we see in God’s Word and God’s creation is that God directly caused the Big Bang to happen.

[The Barbarian]

On 9/16/2021 at 9:18 AM, Riverwalker said:

Here is the explanation of Red Shift.  Things are moving.

In fact, almost everything in the universe is moving away from us, and the farther away it is, the faster it's moving away from us.   This is consistent with an expanding universe. 

 

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

In fact, almost everything in the universe is moving away from us, and the farther away it is, the faster it's moving away from us.   This is consistent with an expanding universe. 

 

But no proof of an expanding universe that was caused by a big bang that was a super blob of mass and energy that blew up and created all of this

What it proves...is things (within in our VERY limited observable range) are moving

Edited October 6, 2021 by Riverwalker

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

But no proof of an expanding universe that was caused by a big bang 

But lots and lots of evidence that atheists like Fred Hoyle were wrong and Christians were right in predicting that the universe began in sudden expansion from a very small singularity.

Later, the predicted microwave background radiation left over from that expansion was accidentally found by two Bell Labs engineers looking to improve microwave antennas.

Even most atheists now accept that the observed expansion of the universe is from the Big Bang.

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

But lots and lots of evidence that atheists like Fred Hoyle were wrong and Christians were right in predicting that the universe began in sudden expansion from a very small singularity.

Later, the predicted microwave background radiation left over from that expansion was accidentally found by two Bell Labs engineers looking to improve microwave antennas.

Even most atheists now accept that the observed expansion of the universe is from the Big Bang.

But keeping to the theme of the original post...keep it simple. Do not extrapolate beyond the evidence given

 

Hebrews 11:

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 

[The Barbarian]

37 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

But keeping to the theme of the original post...keep it simple. Do not extrapolate beyond the evidence given

Exactly.  The universe looks as though there were a sudden expansion from a singularity.   But that's not enough.   One has to make testable predictions.   One of those was that there should be remnants of the initial radiation from the expansion, cooled down into the microwave band, and it should be isotropic with regard to direction.

And later, they found the predicted radiation, which was indeed isotropic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

Which is powerful evidence supporting the theory.

[Guest]

On 9/15/2021 at 2:51 PM, Riverwalker said:

Here is my Counter Argument

³ Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

(Genesis 1:1)  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.  [ESV]

I default to what God said.  God spoke and everything in the universe came into existence.  It didn't take Him seven days.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Here is my Counter Argument

³ Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

 Yes.   That's the creation.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I default to what God said.  God spoke and everything in the universe came into existence.  It didn't take Him seven days.

True.   He created the universe and the laws governing it so as to develop as He intended it to.

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

True.   He created the universe and the laws governing it so as to develop as He intended it to.

So far, we are in agreement.