R. Hartono Posted November 8, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 8:49 AM, Jaydub said: This is the end. there are no more fields, its time for the new heaven and new earth 2 peter 3 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [c]its works will be [d]discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, That verse happened at the end of Jesus Millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 3/28/2021 at 5:49 AM, other one said: I have a question: how long will the sun be darkened. How long after that is it that Jesus actually comes. Immediate or long enough time for people to return to work.... or can people work in the dark. We used to haul hay all night a lot. Much cooler then. The sun is darkened by the 4th sound of Trumpet, after all global destruction of 7 Seals and 3 Trumpets. People will fall and faint in fear of what's coming next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 9 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The sun is darkened by the 4th sound of Trumpet, after all global destruction of 7 Seals and 3 Trumpets. People will fall and faint in fear of what's coming next day. Well, it took you long enough... but how long will it be dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 3/23/2021 at 2:59 PM, iamlamad said: "Many" being posttribbers. What percent of today's believers believe in a posttrib rapture? I think a minority. Pretribbers do NOT form a conclusion that the the angels sent to gather the elect is Paul's rapture. Actually you are right. It is not in fact the rapture seen here, but God sending His angels to gather His elect, Israel, from all corners of the world. The rapture would have happened 7 years before this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, other one said: Well, it took you long enough... but how long will it be dark. The 4th trumpet is sounded before the first 3,5 years of tribulation is completed but we cannot exactly know when it will happen. The effects to global climate will be horrible due to the significant drop of temperature. Edited April 14, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, BibleWords said: Actually you are right. It is not in fact the rapture seen here, but God sending His angels to gather His elect, Israel, from all corners of the world. The rapture would have happened 7 years before this. Great job! I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: The 4th trumpet is sounded before the first 3,5 years of tribulation is completed but we cannot exactly know when it will happen. The effects to global climate will be horrible due to the significant drop of temperature. I agree here too, for I know that the first six trumpets make up the first half of the Week. Where do you find a drop in temperature? The first trumpet seems exceedingly hot—nuclear bomb hot. Edited April 14, 2023 by iamlamad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The sun is darkened by the 4th sound of Trumpet, after all global destruction of 7 Seals and 3 Trumpets. People will fall and faint in fear of what's coming next day. Here I must disagree: the week will begin with the 7th seal. The first five seals are church age. the 6th seal will begin the Day of the Lord, and the 7th seal will begin the 70th Week. Edited April 14, 2023 by iamlamad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 11/8/2021 at 6:24 PM, R. Hartono said: That verse happened at the end of Jesus Millennium. The Day of the Lord will begin before the Week, and will extend long past the Week. It will begin suddenly just after the pretrib rapture. But what Peter said will come near the end of the Week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted April 14, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 3/28/2021 at 9:49 PM, Jaydub said: This is the end. there are no more fields, its time for the new heaven and new earth 2 peter 3 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [c]its works will be [d]discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, Quote This is the end. there are no more fields, its time for the new heaven and new earth No, that is not the end. After Jesus returns, there will be a thousand years before the great white throne judgment that perhaps is "the end." THEN a new heaven and earth will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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