The truth about salvation.

[luigi]

According to the Word in Romans 7-8, Salvation, due to Christs sacrifice is where we are no longer enslaved to our carnal passions (should we so choose to overcome and free ourselves). In which case, as the Word is Spiritual, and salvation is spiritual; those who then choose to remain in their carnal sins would not benefit from a spiritual effect.

Think about this logically; why would someone who wantonly continues to live for their flesh, want to live for the spirit, when they have been given the free gift to leave their sins, should they so choose, but instead choose not to? It is counterintuitive.

Salvation is therefore for those who earnestly want to leave their carnal inclinations, in order to live for their spirit (Romans 8:1), while those who willfully continue to live for their flesh (Romans 8:5), receive no spiritual prize.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

[Guest clancy]

If you are saved by God, Then my belief is, you automatically become a new creation, I still don’t get all this choosing business...Once Saved, that’s it ,you are HIS!!...i am led by the Holy Spirit,I have no choice but to follow...

 

Where else would I go?..these are my personal thoughts, I have a living relationship with God....I can no longer follow the world, can’t be a pleaser of men, I’m a pleaser of God!...

That which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.

Edited March 21, 2021 by clancy

[Sower]

8 minutes ago, SONshine said:

What must you do to receive eternal life?  Well first off, no one, by their own actions or inaction's, is good enough to receive eternal life.

Agreed, I wasn't good enough.
Just bad enough.....

Till I found out I was lost, (light)  I had no desire to be saved..

[luigi]

If you believe in Christ, you will then choose a life as His, which is spiritual and not carnal. If you do not believe in Christ, then even if you say that you do believe in Him, your actions will nevertheless display those contrary to the Spirit, which are carnal.

[Riverwalker]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

. In which case, as the Word is Spiritual, and salvation is spiritual; those who then choose to remain in their carnal sins would not benefit from a spiritual effect.

We are free from the law of sin and death, but we are NOT free of the flesh, not while we breathe

If the flesh (aka sin) was not a problem for us, then Paul wasted a lot of time discussing it, and teaching us how to overcome, first by obedience and then, if we fall, by grace

Romans 7: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

It is true if we are Christian we do not wantonly serve the flesh, but we do deal with it and we do fall occasionally

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1 John 2:2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

(he is plainly talking about the saved here, calling us children)

 

 

 

[luigi]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

We are free from the law of sin and death, but we are NOT free of the flesh, not while we breathe

If the flesh (aka sin) was not a problem for us, then Paul wasted a lot of time discussing it, and teaching us how to overcome, first by obedience and then, if we fall, by grace

Romans 7: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

It is true if we are Christian we do not wantonly serve the flesh, but we do deal with it and we do fall occasionally

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1 John 2:2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

(he is plainly talking about the saved here, calling us children)

 

 

 

Prior to Christs sacrifice we were all in bondage to our flesh. Since Christ died for our sins, we are now no longer in bondage to our flesh, if we so choose to overcome our carnal nature. If you choose to continue being subject to your flesh, you will then continue to be subject to your flesh. If, however, you choose to overcome your flesh, you will then no longer be subject to your flesh. 

I am saved from having to serve my flesh, if I so choose to overcome my carnal inclinations. Otherwise, I am saved from nothing, if I should choose to continue serving my flesh, whose god is their belly.

Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

[Whyme]

5 hours ago, luigi said:

According to the Word in Romans 7-8, Salvation, due to Christs sacrifice is where we are no longer enslaved to our carnal passions (should we so choose to overcome and free ourselves). In which case, as the Word is Spiritual, and salvation is spiritual; those who then choose to remain in their carnal sins would not benefit from a spiritual effect.

Think about this logically; why would someone who wantonly continues to live for their flesh, want to live for the spirit, when they have been given the free gift to leave their sins, should they so choose, but instead choose not to? It is counterintuitive.

Salvation is therefore for those who earnestly want to leave their carnal inclinations, in order to live for their spirit (Romans 8:1), while those who willfully continue to live for their flesh (Romans 8:5), receive no spiritual prize.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

If I choose wrong, may the Lord chasten me

[luigi]

8 minutes ago, Whyme said:

If I choose wrong, may the Lord chasten me

For many of us, the chastening of the Lord appears in self conviction, where we know that we are doing something displeasing to Him.

[Whyme]

7 minutes ago, luigi said:

For many of us, the chastening of the Lord appears in self conviction, where we know that we are doing something displeasing to Him.

And we reap what we sow

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, luigi said:

If, however, you choose to overcome your flesh, you will then no longer be subject to your flesh. 

Again if this is the case then why are we constantly remind that we are in a battle

1 Corinthians 10: 2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not [a]carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.