Jayne Posted March 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,828 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,818 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) oops! multiple posts!! Edited March 26, 2021 by Jayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted March 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.89 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jayne said: We have no reason to believe that the gospels were NOT written by whom they are named after. And as @AnOrangeCat has said, many times sites like the one you saw that discredit the authors are just trying to discredit the Bible. Because there is no impediment to accepting the authorship - I have no problem taking them at face value. Matthew and John would have so much eyewitness accounts to base theirs upon. Besides, John also wrote 1, 2, and 3 John and the book of the Revelation [which identifies him as the author] and the gospel of John and the Revelation specifically refer to Christ as the "W"ord of God. Luke never met Jesus. But, he also and obviously interviewed Mary to the nth degree. Reading it is obvious. Plus, he wrote the book of Acts which picks up RIGHT where the book of Luke leaves off and is lengthy like Luke. MUCH detail - writing like the educated physician that he was. In fact, Luke and Acts make up the bulk of the New Testament. Paul wrote the most letters, but many were very short compared to Luke and Acts. John Mark [Mark] had Peter as one of his mentors [as well as Paul]. That's where I believe he received much of his information. Mark is short and too the point - not giving a lot of wordy detail, but much action. Just like someone who was repeating the main points of what was told to them. Of course, the Holy Spirit is the main author, guiding these men in exactly what to say. Wow Jayne. 5 of the same post - trying to make your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, LearningToLetGo said: Where can I find more information on this? There's actually several sources backing this but here is one and you'll notice even in the short description before clicking the [link itself] it explains who Papias is as a student/pupil/Disciple of the Apostle John. The Gospel of Matthew Was First Written in Hebrew Jan 4, 2014 — Around 130 A.D., Church father Papias (a former student/disciple of the Apostle John) explained: So then Matthew wrote the oracles in the Hebrew language, and everyone ... He says that he came to learn this through tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted March 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,828 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,818 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, teddyv said: Wow Jayne. 5 of the same post - trying to make your point? How did I do THAT?!?! Good gravy! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me clean that up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debrakay Posted March 26, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 1.92 Reputation: 3,104 Days Won: 20 Joined: 03/02/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, teddyv said: Wow Jayne. 5 of the same post - trying to make your point? Maybe the cat was walking across her keyboard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2021 16 hours ago, LearningToLetGo said: In my wanderings to and fro I came across a website that asserts the only gospel that was actually written by someone who personally knew Jesus in the flesh was John. This surprised me since I always figured that Matthew was written by, well, Matthew (Levi). Do we actually know who wrote Matthew? I would think someone named Matthew would have written the book. Why would they call it Matthew if someone with another name wrote it? I am not an expert on Bible history, and I don't think Luke knew Jesus personally, but don't believe everything that websites assert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LearningToLetGo Posted March 27, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 717 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 660 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/21/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 hours ago, kingdombrat said: There's actually several sources backing this but here is one and you'll notice even in the short description before clicking the [link itself] it explains who Papias is as a student/pupil/Disciple of the Apostle John. The Gospel of Matthew Was First Written in Hebrew Jan 4, 2014 — Around 130 A.D., Church father Papias (a former student/disciple of the Apostle John) explained: So then Matthew wrote the oracles in the Hebrew language, and everyone ... He says that he came to learn this through tradition. Thank you for the link. That helps, a lot! It's interesting that Matthew appears to have written his testimony first in Hebrew then Greek. The Hebrew is lost to us but the Greek remains. It's also fascinating that Mark was Peter's companion/translator so in many ways Mark is the testimony of Peter. I did not know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted March 27, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,306 Content Per Day: 1.71 Reputation: 1,688 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 9:07 AM, Justin Adams said: Not so much I am afraid. Read "Against Heresies" and see why. Context is everything and the context is that of the authorship of the gospels. As far as I am aware they confirm that the transitional authorship of these books is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted April 4, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2021 Assertion of doubt often relies on lack of evidence. Can they prove Matthew Levi did not write Matthew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted April 4, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,659 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,839 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2021 Bonus: Luke and Acts are Paul's trail documents as researched and compiled by Doctor Luke (Paul's physician and fellow missionary). John Mark (who wrote Mark) was Peter's aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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