There are words I have never heard in the bible

[Sparks]

Just now, Marathoner said:

I corrected my grammar to reflect the fact that Neil Peart is dead, thanks. You have yet to respond to my simple request which suggests that you can't, @Sparks. 

What's ridiculous is that you rely upon words which don't appear in scripture, my friend. Is that not the topic of this thread? 

There are words I have never heard in the bible

Free will is an example. You rely upon intellect and reason to argue which doesn't establish your case; the passage of scripture you've sparingly quoted don't support your case, either. Therefore you rely upon extra-biblical sources to justify your position, which by its nature pits scripture against scripture. 

You've argued against the testimony of the scriptures throughout the topic. That speaks volumes. You're welcome to verify for yourself that Neil Peart was an atheist, Sparks. He's greatly admired in atheist circles. Until you meet my request to show us where the words "free will" appears in the bible, there's no point in discussing matters further.  
 

Yeah, I will get right on the chocolate scripture. 

Thanks for the chat.

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

You're really stuck on the idea that we have the freewill to choose.  Freewill to choose is not works.

If I offer you chocolate candy, you can accept or decline.  Neither action is work.

A work is something you do.  If God gives you repentance and faith (and the Bible is clear that he does), then that is not a work of yours.  If, on the other hand, you generate repentance and faith yourself, then that is a work.

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

Now aren't you going to claim faith is works?  Certainly you claim a choice is works.

See my reply to your previous post.

[Eternally Gratefull]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Except that is not always the case. Dead folk don't know they have a choice; they don't know they have a choice to choose........ and they don't know they don't have a choice not to choose. The choice not only has to be given, it has to be known and known to exist to be chosen.

If this was true, then god could not say chose this day, or tell us to tell the world to chose to believe, or to respond to him

[Wayne222]

Faith once deliver to the saints. Is faith in Jesus as lord of all things. And savior of the world. And faith that he is Gods only son. If we trust in him we are one body. Does not matter what you call your church org. 

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

A work is something you do.  If God gives you repentance and faith (and the Bible is clear that he does), then that is not a work of yours.  If, on the other hand, you generate repentance and faith yourself, then that is a work.

If you choose to accept a gift, or decline it, it's in no way work.  You have done nothing to make the gift possible, you have merely decided if you will receive it.

It's silly the acrobatics you have to come up with to insist we have no choice about salvation.

[Sparks]

22 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Yes, there is scripture needed. 

One of the problems the two of you are having is the problem of false equivalency: not all gifts are equal or equivalent!

All gifts are gifts, and that's what they have in common.  It does not matter the value.  You may choose to accept them or decline them.  That's about it. 

[Riverwalker]

23 hours ago, Sparks said:

The old covenant was made obsolete in Hebrews 8 but it was exclusively for and about the nation of Israel, and the new covenant is for all nations including Israel.

I do somewhat understand what you are saying about the New Israel, figuratively, but the Jews are still God's chosen people.  Nothing changed there. The events of the End Times will be about Jerusalem, though it will affect us all.  The Third Temple will be over there, for example.

The Law was fulfilled on the Cross, there is a lot more to the Old testament than the first 5 books. (Which contained the law and history) The Old Testament is still very much in play.  We just no longer follow the law

 

[Sparks]

18 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

The Law was fulfilled on the Cross, there is a lot more to the Old testament than the first 5 books. (Which contained the law and history) The Old Testament is still very much in play.  We just no longer follow the law

Well, the old covenant was made obsolete by God, but the Old Testament is in play, yes.  In fact, it's where we can reference a great deal of prophecy, and history, and more.  I use it to help understand Revelation, because some words are symbolic and described in the Old Testament. There are countless lessons to be learned from it, without a doubt.

I have a Bible that showcases Jesus, so when some scripture is referring to Jesus in some way way that might not be apparent, the scripture shows up in a blue font.  When Jesus speaks, its written in a red font.  For example, the very first line in Genesis is in blue.  There is blue all over the place in the Old Testament, simply as a reminder to readers.

The Old and New Testament is entirely about Jesus, so I agree that the Old Testament is in play.   

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, Sparks said:

Well, the old covenant was made obsolete by God, but the Old Testament is in play, yes.  In fact, it's where we can reference a great deal of prophecy, and history, and more.  I use it to help understand Revelation, because some words are symbolic and described in the Old Testament. There are countless lessons to be learned from it, without a doubt.

I have a Bible that showcases Jesus, so when some scripture is referring to Jesus in some way way that might not be apparent, the scripture shows up in a blue font.  When Jesus speaks, its written in a red font.  For example, the very first line in Genesis is in blue.  There is blue all over the place in the Old Testament, simply as a reminder to readers.

The Old and New Testament is entirely about Jesus, so I agree that the Old Testament is in play.   

The LAW  was fulfilled....obsolete is a bad word for it.

Matthew 5:  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

There are many promises in the OT that I still cling to, even though I am saved by Grace