leah777 Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,393 Content Per Day: 0.72 Reputation: 1,156 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnD said: Rabbinic irony to make the point. One having true love for self aggrandizement... Or like the old phrase "to die for" "those cheese steak sandwiches were to die for." The absurdity of the object placed in such high esteem or detriment makes the point. The desk clerk at the news paper who exaggerates, "I'm gonna kill whoever keeps rearranging the files on my work desk... I have a system!" Yes. I often think the irony is missed in many statements by Jesus and the Apostles. It helps if you read out loud ironic statements, particularly some of Pauls sentences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsthebuilder Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 4:09 PM, Whyme said: Sorry, i thought lust was at the very core of sin. The love of money, or perhaps the lust of it, is the root of all evil? Yet greed isn't exactly synonymous with lust. Both have to do with desires regarding self. If greed is the root of all evil then it must produce fear and pride, as those three are what all sin stems from in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, JohnD said: Rabbinic irony to make the point. One having true love for self aggrandizement... Or like the old phrase "to die for" "those cheese steak sandwiches were to die for." The absurdity of the object placed in such high esteem or detriment makes the point. The desk clerk at the news paper who exaggerates, "I'm gonna kill whoever keeps rearranging the files on my work desk... I have a system!" So you are saying the scripture is irony? What proof do you have that agape is godly love? Edited April 12, 2021 by Whyme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, leah777 said: Yes. I often think the irony is missed in many statements by Jesus and the Apostles. It helps if you read out loud ironic statements, particularly some of Pauls sentences. What proof is there that its irony? What proof is there that agape is godly love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 God has Phileo love too. https://loveofgodproject.org/2013/02/phileo-in-the-new-testament/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 hours ago, JohnD said: Rabbinic irony to make the point. One having true love for self aggrandizement... Or like the old phrase "to die for" "those cheese steak sandwiches were to die for." The absurdity of the object placed in such high esteem or detriment makes the point. The desk clerk at the news paper who exaggerates, "I'm gonna kill whoever keeps rearranging the files on my work desk... I have a system!" Luke records the same words but doesnt use Agape. So im not bying the irony part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leah777 Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,393 Content Per Day: 0.72 Reputation: 1,156 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Whyme said: What proof is there that its irony? What proof is there that agape is godly love? look at the definitions of the types of love used in the bible, and look up which words were used in various scriptures to see the meaning of the choice of love-word, and the whole passages to get the tones and intent. Just like with any reading comprehension exercise.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, leah777 said: look at the definitions of the types of love used in the bible, and look up which words were used in various scriptures to see the meaning of the choice of love-word, and the whole passages to get the tones and intent. Just like with any reading comprehension exercise.. Who defines godly love though? Did God invent that word or did it exist in the Greek language before Christ? You say the scripture ironically uses the word agape, but that same scripture recorded in other gospels uses a different word for love. No irony there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Do you think Jesus and Peter were speaking Greek when Jesus asked Peter 3 times to feed his sheep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted April 12, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,105 Content Per Day: 9.69 Reputation: 13,597 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Whyme said: Who defines godly love though? Did God invent that word or did it exist in the Greek language before Christ? You say the scripture ironically uses the word agape, but that same scripture recorded in other gospels uses a different word for love. No irony there. Simply put I believe the Greek language was the "English" of the ancient world. The old world looked at it as the standard and probably one of the most widely accepted languages of that time. Back before we had Google translate there was Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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