Teachers, can you do better, or worse?

[steve morrow]

BIBLE  BASED ???

 

PROVERBS 26:28  A  LYING  TONGUE  HATETH  THOSE  THAT  ARE  AFFLICTED  BY  IT  AND  A  FLATTERING  MOUTH  WORKETH  RUIN

--------------NOT  OF  WORKS  LEST  ANY  MAN  BOAST-----------------

PSALM 33:4  FOR  THE  WORD  OF  THE  LORD  IS  RIGHT  AND  --ALL  HIS  WORKS--  ARE  DONE  IN  TRUTH  

 

MATTHEW 15:7   --YOU  HYPOCRITES--  WELL  DID  ISAIAH  PROPHESY  OF  YOU  SAYING

--15:8--  THIS  PEOPLE  DRAWETH  NIGH  UNTO  ME  WITH  THEIR  MOUTH  AND  HONORETH  ME  WITH  THEIR  LIPS  BUT  THEIR  HEART  IS  FAR  FROM  ME

*******15:9--  BUT  IN  VAIN  THEY  DO  WORSHIP  ME  TEACHING  FOR  DOCTRINES  THE  COMMANDMENTS  OF  MEN*******

 

MARK 8:35  FOR  WHOSOEVER  WILL  SAVE  HIS  LIFE  SHALL  LOSE  IT  BUT  WHOSOEVER  SHALL  LOSE  HIS  LIFE  FOR  MY  SAKE  AND  THE  GOSPELS  THE  SAME  SHALL  SAVE  IT 

 

*******JOHN 5:34  ---BUT  I  RECEIVE --NOT--- THE  TESTIMONY  OF  MAN  BUT  THESE  THINGS  I  SAY  THAT  YOU  --MIGHT  BE  SAVED*******

 

MATTHEW  23:27  WOE  UNTO  YOU  SCRIBES  AND  PHARISEES  --HYPOCRITES--  FOR  YOU  ARE  LIKE  UNTO  WHITED  SEPULCHRES  WHICH  INDEED  ---APPEAR  BEAUTIFUL  OUTWARD--- BUT  ARE  WITHIN  FULL  OF  DEAD  MENS  BONES  AND  OF  ALL  UNCLEANNESS 

--23:28--  EVEN  SO  YOU  ALSO  OUTWARDLY  APPEAR  RIGHTEOUS  UNTO  MEN  BUT  WITHIN  YOU  ARE  FULL  OF  HYPOCRISY  AND  INIQUITY

 

1 JOHN 2:9  HE  THAT  SAITH  HE  IS  IN  THE  LIGHT  AND  HATETH  HIS  BROTHER  IS  IN  DARKNESS  EVEN  UNTIL  NOW 

--2:10--  HE  THAT  LOVETH  HIS  BROTHER  ---ABIDETH  IN  THE  LIGHT---  AND  THERE  IS  ----NONE  OCCASION----  OF  STUMBLING  IN  HIM

 

PSALM 119:130  THE  ENTRANCE  OF  THY  WORDS  --GIVETH  LIGHT--  IT  GIVETH  UNDERSTANDING  UNTO  THE  SIMPLE  

JOHN 6:63  IT  IS  THE  SPIRIT  THAT  QUICKENETH  THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING  THE  WORDS  ---THAT  I  SPEAK--- UNTO  YOU  THEY  ----ARE  SPIRIT----  AND  THEY  ARE  LIFE  

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST   

[teddyv]

3 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Im not wanting to criticize others, my point is that if they have errors how are they a better teacher than myself? By me being a teacher I mean teaching myself not others. People say I need a teacher but I don't think so. They say I need someone to weed out my secret sins, but those things come from God. What did James say? If a person lacks wisdom ask God for it. The sword of the spirit discerns my heart, no man can do that.

Certain people will have experience or wisdom you may not. I think it was Josheb in and earlier post who said that we can and should learn from those who have walked before us. It can help avoiding the ditch completely.

[Whyme]

4 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Certain people will have experience or wisdom you may not. I think it was Josheb in and earlier post who said that we can and should learn from those who have walked before us. It can help avoiding the ditch completely.

Thats why I come here, seeking God's wisdom. I don't believe in teachers though. I know that sounds unbiblical but is it? The Bible says in these last days people will heap teachers to themselves to tickle their ears. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Whyme

[Riverwalker]

25 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Im not wanting to criticize others, my point is that if they have errors how are they a better teacher than myself? By me being a teacher I mean teaching myself not others. People say I need a teacher but I don't think so. They say I need someone to weed out my secret sins, but those things come from God. What did James say? If a person lacks wisdom ask God for it. The sword of the spirit discerns my heart, no man can do that.

But sometimes we can mistake irrelevancies with errors.

Some teachers will focus on things that either don't matter or are not critical issues, which is what I think Teddy was saying

41 minutes ago, teddyv said:

It depends on the error. If it is a minor or non-salvific issue, then in the name of fellowship, can you look past it?

Bottom line when people are involved. You are not going to get completely objective teaching. Even if we do everything right, we will apply our own emphasis on the word.  Whether its people,  emotions, lack of emotions what ever what we hear from any preacher, if it is 100% biblical is going to come from their focus, their point of view. 

We are the treat that word like a the treasure buried in the field, we take the whole field, sift out the dirt and find the treasure

But as to why its important  to hear many points of view is because we all only have one. this goes back to my mountain analogy, where you can look at a mountain from the North, South, East and West  and see a different view of the same mountain. Hearing other peoples perspective, then taking what they say, searching the scriptures and being led by the Holy Spirit, you can either expand your view....or reject it. 

Just realize none of us have the complete picture

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Riverwalker

[teddyv]

14 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Thats why I come here, seeking God's wisdom. I don't believe in teachers though. I know that sounds unbiblical but is it? The Bible says in these last days people will heap teachers to themselves to tickle their ears. 

Yes, false teachers will abound, but let's look at a couple other times teachers are mentioned...
 

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1 Corinthians 12:27-29

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts

 

So teachers are part of the church, placed there by God.

 

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Hebrews 5:11-14

1 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Seems to suggest that we can and should all be able to be teachers.

 

Paul, in Timothy, calls himself a teacher to the Gentiles.

[Guest kingdombrat]

Just Joking here, but at least you can find like words for why Baptist and Pentecostal arrived at their Denominational Namesake.  You can find the words Baptist and Pentecostal within our very Bible.   Even 7 Day and Nazarene can be found.

 

It's the Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Wesleyan [John Wesley], Lutheran [Martin Luther], Mormon [Latter Day Aint's], Charismatic, etc {Names} that I don't find the correlation.

 

It's about the [SAME] as trying to convince me the Apostles literally wrote the Didache' that READS like Roman Catholic Church 101 and uses [ONLY] Catholic words like Eucharist, and too many others to care to list.

[OneLight]

8 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Thats why I come here, seeking God's wisdom. I don't believe in teachers though. I know that sounds unbiblical but is it? The Bible says in these last days people will heap teachers to themselves to tickle their ears. 

This is talking of those who twist scripture to back up sinful lifestyles, not about those who seek His teachings.  2 Timothy 4:1-5 is the scripture you were referring to, so let's take a closer look.

I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.  But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Notice that those who do so "will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires" - meaning they don't want the truth, but are looking for ways to make themselves feel better about their sin.

You need to ask yourself why would God give us the office of teaching if He did not want us to have teachers?  1 Corinthians 12:27-21 tells us:

Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.  And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.  Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?  Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?  But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

Scripture does not contradict itself.  Just be careful who you sit under.  As shown you earlier, be as those from Berea spoken of in Acts 17:10-15 and take what you are told and place it beside scripture to see if it is true or not. 

[Riverwalker]

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

It's the Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Wesleyan [John Wesley], Lutheran [Martin Luther], Mormon [Latter Day Aint's], Charismatic, etc {Names} that I don't find the correlation.

Not for nothing but some of them can be found in the Original greek.  

In the New Testament, a presbyter (Greek πρεσβύτερος: "elder") is a leader of a local Christian congregation. The word derives from the Greek presbyteros, which means elder or senior.

The English term charisma is from the Greek χάρισμα (khárisma), which means "favor freely given" or "gift of grace".

Episcopalian comes from the word episcopal, derived from the Greek word epískopos, meaning "overseer" and from which we get the English word bishop.

 

Just Saying

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

11 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Not for nothing but some of them can be found in the Original greek.  

In the New Testament, a presbyter (Greek πρεσβύτερος: "elder") is a leader of a local Christian congregation. The word derives from the Greek presbyteros, which means elder or senior.

The English term charisma is from the Greek χάρισμα (khárisma), which means "favor freely given" or "gift of grace".

Episcopalian comes from the word episcopal, derived from the Greek word epískopos, meaning "overseer" and from which we get the English word bishop.

 

Just Saying

 

 

Very Cool!

[Still Alive]

Saul was a diamond in the rough. Jesus had to come to him directly to knock some sense into him - and rename him Paul. 

We all have different paths to follow, but the message to Timothy about all scripture being profitalble is as true today as it was then. And scripture is basically anything written or produced by someone else other than yourself. And if one prayerfully studies the bible and other "scripture" (literally means "something written down"), including podcasts and videos, I believe one will grow in the Lord. I also believe one will change their position on things they've believed since they attended VBS as a child from less than ideal teachers.