Fellowship, does it help us overcome sin?

[Beckett]

This, by the way, (bellow) is a very interesting quote. It says "I will guide you with My eye", it does not say "I will guide you with my words". Look, at a certain point in mans spiritual development there is a shift away from the word, which is a tool, both a handy and horrible tool (when misused), to the eye. Remember, Jesus healed the blind man, gave him is sight back. So that he could see again. He who sees does not need to believe (anymore), cause the truth is evident to the seer. The word is a tool, when used by a master, like Jesus, and understood properly by the disciple, seeing is the gift of God. Jesus is a seer, not a believer. But one might start out as a believer and become a seer.

So how does one learn to see? Go beyond the the mere figure and see the background. See how the words of Jesus manifests in the world, how it shows the underlying pattern of the world.

Psalm 32:8

8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go;
I will guide you with My eye.

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Beckett

[The_Patriot21]

5 hours ago, Whyme said:

I struggle with anxiety in social situations, that has caused me to seek out online fellowship. Maybe one day i'll go to church, but till then my fellowship is fine. I can go to church once ot twice a week or come here daily. Daily is better than once a week dont you think?

Please dont take this the wrong way...but the thing is, what your doing isnt healthy. Dont get me wrong i understand social anxiety. I really do. However, seeking online interaction instead isn't dealing with the problem its running from it. Pure and simple. And the longer it takes you to deal with it, the harder it will be to deal with it. 

You really cannot replace real fellowship. Now there is nothing that says that fellowship has to be a 20,000 person mega church. Or even a 50 person church. Or even have a church building. Jesus said that when 2 or more are gathered He is there. You dont need to do anything big. Find one or two Biblicly solid friends, preferably ones who share the same struggles and start meeting at least once a week. Study the Bible, pray, talk about your struggles. 

My point is...you dont need to start big. Start small. But avoiding it will only harm your walk in the long run. And who knows you may never hit that point of being able to go to a regular church service, but thats ok, you will still have 1 or 2 close friends you can lean on. The Bible doesnt say how many people you have to fellowship with or even where, just that you need to.

[Whyme]

2 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Please dont take this the wrong way...but the thing is, what your doing isnt healthy. Dont get me wrong i understand social anxiety. I really do. However, seeking online interaction instead isn't dealing with the problem its running from it. Pure and simple. And the longer it takes you to deal with it, the harder it will be to deal with it. 

You really cannot replace real fellowship. Now there is nothing that says that fellowship has to be a 20,000 person mega church. Or even a 50 person church. Or even have a church building. Jesus said that when 2 or more are gathered He is there. You dont need to do anything big. Find one or two Biblicly solid friends, preferably ones who share the same struggles and start meeting at least once a week. Study the Bible, pray, talk about your struggles. 

My point is...you dont need to start big. Start small. But avoiding it will only harm your walk in the long run. And who knows you may never hit that point of being able to go to a regular church service, but thats ok, you will still have 1 or 2 close friends you can lean on. The Bible doesnt say how many people you have to fellowship with or even where, just that you need to.

This is real fellowship. 

[Beckett]

1 hour ago, Whyme said:

This is real fellowship. 

You should be thankful of your social anxiety. Accept it, it is good. And it is there for a reason, that you might not be ready see yet. 

 

Maybe you do not want to admit to yourself how horrible people can be, how horrible their language can be, the devastations of the soul their way of communicating can cause.

Jesus said: "“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple."

This contains so much wisdom, it sounds rather crazy, but it is not. But, of course you dont tell them this. 

 

I thought I had social anxiety, but I later found out that the real reason was that I did not like people, and should just stop trying to fit in and communicate with them. And now I am cured.

 

However, wise people I do not dislike. I would certainly not have disliked Jesus, if I met him. And I also hate my mother and father, brother and sister. If I had a wife and child I would hate them too. So, thats why I dont have a wife and children. I also dislike myself, as one ought to do. This form is limited and not free. And certainly I got to be in this form due to some stupid idea or sin.

 

That said, the one thing I like about the human vessel is that it will, if one is open to it, and ready to pay attention to whats going on, help one become wise and holy again.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Beckett

[Whyme]

6 hours ago, Beckett said:

You should be thankful of your social anxiety. Accept it, it is good. And it is there for a reason, that you might not be ready see yet. 

 

Maybe you do not want to admit to yourself how horrible people can be, how horrible their language can be, the devastations of the soul their way of communicating can cause.

Jesus said: "“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple."

This contains so much wisdom, it sounds rather crazy, but it is not. But, of course you dont tell them this. 

 

I thought I had social anxiety, but I later found out that the real reason was that I did not like people, and should just stop trying to fit in and communicate with them. And now I am cured.

 

However, wise people I do not dislike. I would certainly not have disliked Jesus, if I met him. And I also hate my mother and father, brother and sister. If I had a wife and child I would hate them too. So, thats why I dont have a wife and children. I also dislike myself, as one ought to do. This form is limited and not free. And certainly I got to be in this form due to some stupid idea or sin.

 

That said, the one thing I like about the human vessel is that it will, if one is open to it, and ready to pay attention to whats going on, help one become wise and holy again.

 

 

Thank you. Have you considered Matthew 10:37? In my opinion its what Jesus meant. 

[missmuffet]

22 hours ago, Whyme said:

Does fellowship help us overcome sin in our lives? And, does online fellowship help us to do this? Sorry folks, i know i post a lot of threads, but this has been on my mind and i want input. Thank you.

No, fellowship doesn't help us overcome sin. We will not be perfect until we get to heaven. We should not sin intentionally but we will still sin sometimes without even realizing it. One example is in your car going over the speed limit. 

[Whyme]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

No, fellowship doesn't help us overcome sin. We will not be perfect until we get to heaven. We should not sin intentionally but we will still sin sometimes without even realizing it. One example is in your car going over the speed limit. 

Jesus says we must abide in him to bear fruit. What is that fruit and is fellowship with each other part of abiding in Him?

 

I was looking at some scriptures and found this one. If bad company ruins good morals, what does good company do? This doesnt necessarily answer my question, its just something to consider.

1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

[Whyme]

15 hours ago, Sower said:

 

 

Even Kemosabe was not alone......

 

 

Thank you Tonto. Im not alone, i have you. (:

[The_Patriot21]

13 hours ago, Whyme said:

This is real fellowship. 

No its not...it really isnt. Tell me, what makes me tick? Whats my favorite color? What do i do for a living? Theres so much you dont know about me...and the same is true about you-i know nothing about you. 

Can you call me in the middle of the night for emergency help? If you get evicted and need help moving at the last second, is there anyone here who can help you?

Is there anyone here who can hold you accountable on here? Im going to say no, because your ignoring any advice that you disagree with. Which isnt just you, its easy to ignore advice from a stranger youve met online, because theyre just words on a page. Lot harder to ignore it from someone who is physically sitting across from you, and believe me, accountability is huge if you want to live a God fearing life.

This is my last post on the topic. You are disobeying Gods word by avoiding any human contact. Flat out. The Bible says not to forsake the fellowship, which is what your doing. It also says to go forth and share Gods love with the world. Which yes can be done online, but can he done so much better in person. You are holding yourself back both mentally and spiritually by hiding at home instead of facing your problems. You do what you feel you must, and I will be praying for you.

[Whyme]

4 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

No its not...it really isnt. Tell me, what makes me tick? Whats my favorite color? What do i do for a living? Theres so much you dont know about me...and the same is true about you-i know nothing about you. 

Can you call me in the middle of the night for emergency help? If you get evicted and need help moving at the last second, is there anyone here who can help you?

Is there anyone here who can hold you accountable on here? Im going to say no, because your ignoring any advice that you disagree with. Which isnt just you, its easy to ignore advice from a stranger youve met online, because theyre just words on a page. Lot harder to ignore it from someone who is physically sitting across from you, and believe me, accountability is huge if you want to live a God fearing life.

This is my last post on the topic. You are disobeying Gods word by avoiding any human contact. Flat out. The Bible says not to forsake the fellowship, which is what your doing. It also says to go forth and share Gods love with the world. Which yes can be done online, but can he done so much better in person. You are holding yourself back both mentally and spiritually by hiding at home instead of facing your problems. You do what you feel you must, and I will be praying for you.

God holds me accountable. You cant read peoples minds in church so how can you hold someone accountable? God knows the heart. You say i am sinning but you dont know my heart.