What is speaking in tongues and prophesying?

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

I know it's God from Discernment, which is another Gift of the Holy Spirit.  The Beauty about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is they will always confirm one another.

The Scripture is the only foundation... your feeling are not listed as such... bottom line your trusting your own self to determine between God and satan! Discernment always relies upon Scripture... 

[Paul James]

On 4/24/2021 at 7:08 AM, missmuffet said:

God does perform wonderful miracles today. I don't believe in faith healers. 

There is no such ministry as a faith healer.  Faith healers who try to use faith to heal people are involved in New Age spiritualism.   Faith is not a force in itself.  Trying to use faith as some kind of force to achieve an outcome is sorcery.

True Gospel faith is simply believing the promises of God and acting on them.  It is "doing" the Bible.  The Scriptural definition of faith is, "The evidence of things not seen and the assurance of things hoped for."

If I lightly hold a person's wrist and say, "Jesus heals you".  I am exercising faith in the belief that if I point the person to Jesus, who is the real Healer, then they are in His sovereign hands to decide whether to heal the person or not.  

The reality is that none of us can heal even a flea with a headache, but we can pray the prayer of faith and put the matter into God's hands.

But the trouble with Cessationism which adopts the attitude that God doesn't heal through specific prayer today, is that there is not enough faith to even be able to pray the prayer.  It is a type of double-mindedness - that God can heal the sick when He sovereignly decides to, but not as the result of us asking Him to.   James says that a double-minded person cannot expect to receive anything from the Lord.

So, in summary, it is not my faith, or even my prayer that heals a sick person.  Jesus is the healer, but He is not a push-button vending machine.

[Guest kingdombrat]

45 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

The Scripture is the only foundation... your feeling are not listed as such... bottom line your trusting your own self to determine between God and satan! Discernment always relies upon Scripture... 

And yet, the Gift of the Holy Spirit pertaining to Love, Joy, Peace, long suffering which are all connected to emotions, to intelligence, to feelings, and would disqualify the claim you're trying to pass here.    

 

Tell me, since you have no emotion involved in your viewpoint, which Gift(s) of the Holy Spirit did God bless you with?

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Paul James said:

There is no such ministry as a faith healer.  Faith healers who try to use faith to heal people are involved in New Age spiritualism.   Faith is not a force in itself.  Trying to use faith as some kind of force to achieve an outcome is sorcery.

True Gospel faith is simply believing the promises of God and acting on them.  It is "doing" the Bible.  The Scriptural definition of faith is, "The evidence of things not seen and the assurance of things hoped for."

If I lightly hold a person's wrist and say, "Jesus heals you".  I am exercising faith in the belief that if I point the person to Jesus, who is the real Healer, then they are in His sovereign hands to decide whether to heal the person or not.  

The reality is that none of us can heal even a flea with a headache, but we can pray the prayer of faith and put the matter into God's hands.

But the trouble with Cessationism which adopts the attitude that God doesn't heal through specific prayer today, is that there is not enough faith to even be able to pray the prayer.  It is a type of double-mindedness - that God can heal the sick when He sovereignly decides to, but not as the result of us asking Him to.   James says that a double-minded person cannot expect to receive anything from the Lord.

So, in summary, it is not my faith, or even my prayer that heals a sick person.  Jesus is the healer, but He is not a push-button vending machine.

It's not about cessationism... it's about the clear and undeniable reading of Scripture! Clearly what is written is not happening today in the same way! It's about being in the light as Jesus is in the light and what He and the Apostles did then is not occuring today saved and unsaved alike can see this (but) then noone not even Jesus' enemies could deny the power for it was self evident by the natural senses....  

[enoob57]

52 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

And yet, the Gift of the Holy Spirit pertaining to Love, Joy, Peace, long suffering which are all connected to emotions, to intelligence, to feelings, and would disqualify the claim you're trying to pass here.    

 

Tell me, since you have no emotion involved in your viewpoint, which Gift(s) of the Holy Spirit did God bless you with?

the foundation is God's Word and that which you are contending for will not be remembered not even the knowledge of!  I align myself with what God says and set my will to it's precepts!

 

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Tell me, since you have no emotion involved in your viewpoint, which Gift(s) of the Holy Spirit did God bless you with?

I enjoy the gifts of The Spirit but I do not allow them to determine my mindset nor access to my will as this belongs to God's Word alone... I know God is keeping none of this when His Word is accomplished in it (this world and the things in it will be removed from existence) thus I do not cling to it as though He was...

[CaptWalker]

19 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

What makes you think that Satan does not recognize Tongues when it's working through the Holy Spirit?

 

Paul said Speaking in Tongues [edifies] Believers in God, not just the one Speaking in Tongues.   If Tongues edifies Believers, then Tongues is Prayer Warrior Language against Evil.   When done properly, Satan is the first to understand what is happening.   Satan is attempting to thwart the Movement by the Holy Spirit and Tongues is battling that Movement by Edifying the Believers.   Satan is not confused at the Moment, He is being DEFEATED!   He very well knows and understands Speaking in Tongues better than anyone of us.

Maybe i should rephrase what i said...i personally don't care whether or not Satan is interested enough in our prayers to try and interfere in what we are praying for. One reason is that he in not omnipresent as God is, so then he would need demons to do his bidding and maybe assigned to certain Christians. But we often treat him as if he is constantly aware of what we are praying at ALL times, a very big misconception of him. But yes i would agree that praying in tongues, especially on national or worldwide TV might probably get his attention more than anything else, so those preachers choosing to do that maybe should be prepared for any resistance that could be coming against them, but i've not experienced it myself so am really only going by what i hear others saying about it.

But again, i wouldn't personally be worried about that since i take Satan very lightly and not very seriously whatosever, but that's just me.  

Edited June 1, 2021 by CaptWalker

[Guest kingdombrat]

16 hours ago, enoob57 said:

the foundation is God's Word and that which you are contending for will not be remembered not even the knowledge of!  I align myself with what God says and set my will to it's precepts!

 

I enjoy the gifts of The Spirit but I do not allow them to determine my mindset nor access to my will as this belongs to God's Word alone... I know God is keeping none of this when His Word is accomplished in it (this world and the things in it will be removed from existence) thus I do not cling to it as though He was...

Those Gifts are from God meant to enrich your Walk in God.   Why wouldn't you want to be mindful of them if God gave them to you for the purpose to edify Yourself and God with?   

 

The more you explain your walk in God, the more I scratch my head and wonder because you're not aligning yourself to God's Word by controlling and thwarting the Gifts from God.   That is just the very opposite of what the Word of God instructs.

[Guest kingdombrat]

14 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Maybe i should rephrase what i said...i personally don't care whether or not Satan is interested enough in our prayers to try and interfere in what we are praying for. One reason is that he in not omnipresent as God is, so then he would need demons to do his bidding and maybe assigned to certain Christians. But we often treat him as if he is constantly aware of what we are praying at ALL times, a very big misconception of him. But yes i would agree that praying in tongues, especially on national or worldwide TV might probably get his attention more than anything else, so those preachers choosing to do that maybe should be prepared for any resistance that could be coming against them, but i've not experienced it myself so am really only going by what i hear others saying about it.

But again, i wouldn't personally be worried about that since i take Satan very lightly and not very seriously whatosever, but that's just me.  

Even though Paul speaks about fervent Prayer because the principalities in the air are trying to thwart our prayers, do you think a one time prayer over a needed miracle is sufficient enough?   The Psalms are basically David Praying and he is repetitive, he is demanding, he is persistent.   Do you think he prayed over something 1 time and said God got it, or do you think he prayed over something every day until it came to pass?

[enoob57]

42 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Those Gifts are from God meant to enrich your Walk in God.   Why wouldn't you want to be mindful of them if God gave them to you for the purpose to edify Yourself and God with?

You don't seem to understand the gifts of The Holy Spirit go on but the relating to as to here does not... even the knowledge of this 1st created event will removed! Now to talk to me about the gifts in that reality... Let me ask you a question- Seeing as the flesh is not redeemed but with us in continual warfare with our new born s/Spirit where does this fruit of Spirit reside?

42 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

The more you explain your walk in God, the more I scratch my head and wonder because you're not aligning yourself to God's Word by controlling and thwarting the Gifts from God.   That is just the very opposite of what the Word of God instructs.

Trying to understand Spiritual things with unredeemed flesh is where most finds confusion... it is outlaid here
 

Col 3:1-10
 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
KJV
How can you be obedient to this?

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

You don't seem to understand the gifts of The Holy Spirit go on but the relating to as to here does not... even the knowledge of this 1st created event will removed! Now to talk to me about the gifts in that reality... Let me ask you a question- Seeing as the flesh is not redeemed but with us in continual warfare with our new born s/Spirit where does this fruit of Spirit reside?

Trying to understand Spiritual things with unredeemed flesh is where most finds confusion... it is outlaid here
 

Col 3:1-10
 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
KJV
How can you be obedient to this?

You don't seem to comprehend that living in God is a full time Walk, not just random when we think we need Him.   Every moment i am awake, all of hell should be alerted because I walk in those Gifts and Power of God because He gave them to me to enrich my whole being, my whole life, my whole existence, not in a pick and choose setting.