Members of Science Promoting Evolution and God

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The Word who was with God and who was God and became flesh, created everything. John 1:1-3.

The Word evolution is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible, or even hinted. I call evolution, DEVILUTION. 

[teddyv]

There are a lot of words not mentioned in the Bible.

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 5/21/2021 at 7:18 PM, one.opinion said:

Hmmm... That’s a really good question I’ve never considered before. If my interests and abilities were in a completely different area and vocation, I don’t know if I would have much confidence in the process by which science evaluates and interprets masses of collected data. It’s really hard to say if I would or wouldn’t.

I would imagine on this forum there are several here who fit this category and why they adamantly oppose Evolution and the process of Science.   I would think they might agree that yes, this is the process of Science and this is the result of that process, but connecting Science to the Word of God is nearly impossible.  And ultimately, you cannot go wrong in trusting the Word of God pertaining to Spiritual Matters.   But it is interesting to think if Your talents and skills were not Mathematics related, and theirs were, both might be on the opposite side of the debate compared to where each stands now.

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 5/21/2021 at 7:10 PM, Marathoner said:

We cannot control what the denier nor the scoffer does; their denial of the Lord is not a matter of science nor education. No, neither lead one to deny Jesus Christ. Remember that great evil has been committed on this earth by some who profess the name of Christ but we know that the workers of iniquity are responsible for the evil, not the Lord.  

The scriptures do not state "only those who call upon the name of the Lord and adhere to <insert non-essential matter here> shall be saved." This is not what the Lord has given to us. It's good to remember this always because it serves to temper our judgment with restraint as well as mercy. There's nothing amiss with discussing non-essential matters nor with disagreeing about such things, but let us leave it at that and go no further with it.  

 

As much as I agree here with this post, I still wonder, some people only believe in results.  Scientific Data is tangible and Accessible.   And the more Data produced, the more likely it is to persuade or likely to confirm beliefs.   And if that Data comes from someone living for God, it's difficult to envision that impact vs Denier and random non Believer who has not fully heard the Word of God and believed.

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:46 PM, teddyv said:

I strongly doubt that any matters that I may deal with in the field of geology is what drives anyone to continue denial of the existence of God. Your question sort of negates or ignores the power of the Holy Spirit - that, or you are implying that subscribing to evolutionary theory somehow "quenches" the Holy Spirit. I would like to believe that my actions and interactions, lifestyle and what-not are going to be far more powerful witnesses to Christ than the scientific theories that I accept and use daily.

I don't see myself as on some "giant team that can prove Evolution is True". I am barely qualified to speak to the nuances of evolutionary theory. I do have certain trust in the scientific process to explain things, but fully aware there are going to be gaps in knowledge that will likely never be adequately explained.

 

The Holy Spirit is continuously being rejected on a minute to minute basis in the rejection of Christ Yeshua, and the entire idealism of God.   And even though some are accepting God, the vast majority are denying God.   And a good chunk of those deniers are within Science and those who believe Science over anything else.   And the Data produced by all the Sciences relates to their beliefs.

 

And yes, agreed that your occupation in the Sciences would not relate to Evolution, but it does ultimately relate to aging the Earth.   And we know all about that debate from both Viewpoints.

[Marathoner]

3 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

As much as I agree here with this post, I still wonder, some people only believe in results.  Scientific Data is tangible and Accessible.   And the more Data produced, the more likely it is to persuade or likely to confirm beliefs.   And if that Data comes from someone living for God, it's difficult to envision that impact vs Denier and random non Believer who has not fully heard the Word of God and believed.

This is true, but bear in mind that there are atheists who aren't familiar with nor possess an education in the sciences. Therefore deniers and scoffers may come from a variety of backgrounds. 

We walk by faith, not sight. I'm in accord with my brother who knows that all things seen and unseen were created by (and for) the Son of God. That is the essential doctrine, my friend. I know this as the truth. 

Ah, but then consider how the apostle John explained that the Word made flesh did many things that weren't recorded in the Gospel; if these were written one by one, the world couldn't contain the books. This is properly discerned as unessential for if it pleased the Lord to reveal these things to us in the scriptures, then He would have done so.  

This expresses my understanding of that nuanced relationship between faith and science, brother. Faith is essential whereas science is unessential. The Lord, the Almighty and Creator of all that is, draws us into Himself; but science is the pursuit of man examining the creation of the living God. Science is not a living thing nor can it confirm nor deny anything with certainty. It's a pursuit!

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5 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

As much as I agree here with this post, I still wonder, some people only believe in results.  Scientific Data is tangible and Accessible.   And the more Data produced, the more likely it is to persuade or likely to confirm beliefs.   And if that Data comes from someone living for God, it's difficult to envision that impact vs Denier and random non Believer who has not fully heard the Word of God and believed.

Science and the Bible do not contradict each other.

It is only a man's interpretation of the Bible, or science that contradicts each other.

In this case, it is the believers misunderstanding that the events shown in Gen 1 & 2 are literal, and not sometimes symbolic images. (The same situation as in the Revelation.)

Understand that the symbols and images are meant to communicate and relate to people in spiritual principles such as love and no love. 

To read the Gen 1 passage as literal, is only a tradition left over from the dark/middle ages. (The planet is not flat, same thing)

It is a story from over 3000 years ago, it should be understood as that.

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If you say that it is literal, then you are proving the Bible wrong, 

But if you understand, that it is showing images of the creation, from 3000 years ago, and that it is showing the principles of God and evil, then you do not contradict science, but confirm the story by the principles that God has set in place for people to live by.

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

This is true, but bear in mind that there are atheists who aren't familiar with nor possess an education in the sciences. Therefore deniers and scoffers may come from a variety of backgrounds. 

We walk by faith, not sight. I'm in accord with my brother who knows that all things seen and unseen were created by (and for) the Son of God. That is the essential doctrine, my friend. I know this as the truth. 

Ah, but then consider how the apostle John explained that the Word made flesh did many things that weren't recorded in the Gospel; if these were written one by one, the world couldn't contain the books. This is properly discerned as unessential for if it pleased the Lord to reveal these things to us in the scriptures, then He would have done so.  

This expresses my understanding of that nuanced relationship between faith and science, brother. Faith is essential whereas science is unessential. The Lord, the Almighty and Creator of all that is, draws us into Himself; but science is the pursuit of man examining the creation of the living God. Science is not a living thing nor can it confirm nor deny anything with certainty. It's a pursuit!

Amen!

 

Deniers in God will use anything available to continue their View.   It's not just Science, it's a multitude of things eventually coming down to lifestyle choices.   How one desires to live opposed to conforming is a very big key to many Deniers viewpoints.   But as powerful as Science is, and more recently we've been made aware of such through television/radio/newspaper/online articles promoting Science as the [Reason] why Covid-19 can be defeated and the urging to get the Vaccination.  Science has been more [glorified] "NOW" than at any other moment in time.   And that simple message alone will bring in many new Deniers of God.   

 

But yes, what you posted is spot on!

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Science and the Bible do not contradict each other.

It is only a man's interpretation of the Bible, or science that contradicts each other.

In this case, it is the believers misunderstanding that the events shown in Gen 1 & 2 are literal, and not sometimes symbolic images. (The same situation as in the Revelation.)

Understand that the symbols and images are meant to communicate and relate to people in spiritual principles such as love and no love. 

To read the Gen 1 passage as literal, is only a tradition left over from the dark/middle ages. (The planet is not flat, same thing)

It is a story from over 3000 years ago, it should be understood as that.

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If you say that it is literal, then you are proving the Bible wrong, 

But if you understand, that it is showing images of the creation, from 3000 years ago, and that it is showing the principles of God and evil, then you do not contradict science, but confirm the story by the principles that God has set in place for people to live by.

There are no literal definitive Scripture where someone logically can sit back after reading the Word of God and think, that's talking about Evolution.   So, to interject Evolution into the Word of God will unlikely never be supportive by Believers who find Science to be skeptical at best.

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27 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

There are no literal definitive Scripture where someone logically can sit back after reading the Word of God and think, that's talking about Evolution.   So, to interject Evolution into the Word of God will unlikely never be supportive by Believers who find Science to be skeptical at best.

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