God allows his apostles and us to suffer

[Whyme]

Paul said he was given a thorn in the flesh to keep him from pride. Other scriptures say suffering helps us in our spiritual growth, and it produces perseverance. This seemed like a good discussion, i welcome your thoughts and scriptures. Thank you.

[Who me]

Jesus said that we can expect the world to treat us as it treated him.

That the west has has a largely Christian culture has covered up the fact that most people in the west are only cultural Christians, they have no relationship with Jesus.

[Whyme]

1 minute ago, Who me said:

Jesus said that we can expect the world to treat us as it treated him.

That the west has has a largely Christian culture has covered up the fact that most people in the west are only cultural Christians, they have no relationship with Jesus.

Perhaps it can be said some of them are baby Christians, still carnal. 

[Who me]

9 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Perhaps it can be said some of them are baby Christians, still carnal. 

 

Generous, but ultimately cruel, because it means they are unlikely to hear the gospel.

If they are considered Christian who is going to preach to them?

[Whyme]

1 minute ago, Who me said:

 

Generous, but ultimately cruel, because it means they are unlikely to hear the gospel.

If they are considered Christian who is going to preach to them?

Maybe WCF will preach the word.

[Arrabon]

10 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Paul said he was given a thorn in the flesh to keep him from pride. Other scriptures say suffering helps us in our spiritual growth, and it produces perseverance. This seemed like a good discussion, i welcome your thoughts and scriptures. Thank you.

@Whyme

Boy oh boy, I can tell you from many decades with the Lord that suffering and pain are two of His greatest attention getters and tools, to help us make the changes He wants in us.

Especially if your stubborn and hard headed like I used to be.

God says He is the potter and I am the clay.

Cold stiff clay needs a lot of hard pushing and pounding on sometimes to soften it up, so it can be easily shaped. 

[Guest kingdombrat]

I tend to spend a lot of time at a local fuel station because I know the people and it's perfect to buy my red bulls and other things I enjoy.   Many of the employees are literally one generation after me but have similar likes/dislikes.   and the majority of the customer clientele is at least 2 maybe 3 generations after me.   And trust me, just as much as they look at me as someone who should be in the grave, I look at them as someone who Daddy should have used a belt on more.

 

Anyways, a couple of times they said to me, old man, you've got an attitude.

I said, thank you, that is God within me and it's hard for you to understand and recognize.

Of course, they give you this reply of God is fake and God can kiss my behind and so forth.

 

But it made me realize, sinners know we Believers are different.  So different they think we have an attitude problem.   And that enlightened me how when the Mark of the Beast is taking place, unbelievers will be able to spot us and report us because they see us as troublemakers.

[Whyme]

8 minutes ago, Arrabon said:

@Whyme

Boy oh boy, I can tell you from many decades with the Lord that suffering and pain are two of His greatest attention getters and tools, to help us make the changes He wants in us.

Especially if your stubborn and hard headed like I used to be.

God says He is the potter and I am the clay.

Cold stiff clay needs a lot of hard pushing and pounding on sometimes to soften it up, so it can be easily shaped. 

Thank you. I believe all things, even suffering, even sufferings God may not have caused or meant to happen, can help us and work good. Say someone treats us wrong, God didn't intend that to happen but if we turn to God for comfort the suffering actually works good for us. Also our experience can help others who suffer in such a way. My greatest blessings have come from being mistreated by other people. I use to be immature, and still am sometimes, but before i would stumble when others did that to me, but now i have grown and developed a relationship with God, and im glad to suffer although it feels horrible at first, but God loves me and that love is shed in my heart and im very glad.. If any of this wrong forgive me, just my thoughts.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Whyme

[Whyme]

Romans 5

New King James Version

Faith Triumphs in Trouble

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, [c]character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Whyme

[Guest clancy]

6 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Thank you. I believe all things, even suffering, even sufferings God may not have caused or meant to happen, can help us and work good. Say someone treats us wrong, God didn't intend that to happen but if we turn to God for comfort the suffering actually works good for us. Also our experience can help others who suffer in such a way. My greatest blessings have come from being mistreated by other people. I use to be immature, and still am sometimes, but before i would stumble when others did that to me, but now i have grown and developed a relationship with God, and im glad to suffer although it feels horrible at first, but God loves me and that love is shed in my heart and im very glad.. If any of this wrong forgive me, just my thoughts.

You are growing in Christ, as we all are, we never stop growing.?