The Intellect Verses The Heart

[Marathoner]

11 minutes ago, clancy said:

 

God gives us his divine intelligence , you cannot understand the Bible with your own intellect, it must come from the Holy Spirit.?

 

I ask God to think like Jesus, I don’t want my thinking, only my flesh got in the way yesterday, with my fiend....,just the enemy trying to create havoc...he sneaks in so unexpectedly......but I rest assured that God is in the situation.

Yes, as His mercies are renewed each day the Lord renews our mind each day. We walk in the Spirit just as the Lord ordained for us to do --- this is that work God established for us before the foundation of the world --- and we are nothing in and of ourselves. We see darkly and know only in part: all of us, simple or otherwise. 

Gifts and talents are an entirely different matter, sister. There are talents which the Lord saw fit to bestow upon us in the womb and then there are gifts which the Spirit of the Lord is pleased to give to us while we walk with Him. Our talents serve the Body just as these gifts edify us all. For example, some are talented with words and others receive His gift of discernment.

As for myself, my place is to serve my neighbor and so the Lord in His wisdom refines me in the crucible of suffering. The Lord encourages me in a mighty way and so it's my honor and joy to encourage you all in the same way. 

Walking in His Spirit is what it's all about. Praise the Lord!

[Marathoner]

20 minutes ago, clancy said:

That you must read the bible to be saved?...I don’t agree with that, I think that has been discussed on here many times, so I won’t be discussing that again, as I won’t budge on that belief...

You're in good company, sister. The Lord came when I was a rebellious stranger and claimed me as His own. I had never read a word of scripture prior and wasn't converted by a Christian. Almighty God is capable of speaking for Himself... He doesn't require human hands to steady the ark.  

[Guest clancy]

5 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Yes, as His mercies are renewed each day the Lord renews our mind each day. We walk in the Spirit just as the Lord ordained for us to do --- this is that work God established for us before the foundation of the world --- and we are nothing in and of ourselves. We see darkly and know only in part: all of us, simple or otherwise. 

Gifts and talents are an entirely different matter, sister. There are talents which the Lord saw fit to bestow upon us in the womb and then there are gifts which the Spirit of the Lord is pleased to give to us while we walk with Him. Our talents serve the Body just as these gifts edify us all. For example, some are talented with words and others receive His gift of discernment.

As for myself, my place is to serve my neighbor and so the Lord in His wisdom refines me in the crucible of suffering. The Lord encourages me in a mighty way and so it's my honor and joy to encourage you all in the same way. 

Walking in His Spirit is what it's all about. Praise the Lord!

Amen!!.....like you,I won’t budge on that belief, so for me,I’m unable to discuss it.

Same as the non Christian site I belong to, I can’t discuss my belief on there anymore, because there is nothing to discuss, I’m a born again...it’s not up for discussion by anyone ,if I’m saved or not, I know I am, therefore don’t need any reassurance from anyone.

God meets my needs, I have 100% security in my salvation, because it came from God, not man.? 

[Guest clancy]

Just now, Marathoner said:

You're in good company, sister. The Lord came when I was a rebellious stranger and claimed me as His own. I had never read a word of scripture prior and wasn't converted by a Christian. Almighty God is capable of speaking for Himself... He doesn't require human hands to steady the ark.  

Amen!!! ..powerful saving that it was brother, Praise God!!.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, clancy said:

No worries brother, you are entitled to your belief.

of course the word comes from the Holy Spirit, he testified to my spirit that I’m his child...so not sure what your disagreeing with? ?.....may I add before I ever read a bible, I think I read somewhere that you don’t believe that?

That you must read the bible to be saved?...I don’t agree with that, I think that has been discussed on here many times, so I won’t be discussing that again, as I won’t budge on that belief...

This is certainly your prerogative... However you are in definite conflict with The Written Word
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

The detailed plan between The Son and The Father

John 17:1-20

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
KJV


and of course the warning of Jesus Himself
John 12:48-50

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
KJV

The number one error of the charismatic is it's disregard to the written Word of God... but clearly God says above you cannot do so without answering to Him if one does so...

[Heleadethme]

4 hours ago, clancy said:

I would say my intellect is pretty average.

Can we discuss how important it is to have intellect,?

No disrespect to those with high intellect, but, do you think that being overly intellectual ,it can hinder the work of the Holy Spirit, in their hearts?

Are they at a disadvantage in any way?......is their thinking over complicated?....they are highly intellectual, so surely  must be thinking that way constantly?

Can the Holy Spirit work better in a meek uncomplicated mind?...on saying that most minds are complicated aren’t they....I guess the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart of a person ,which is relayed to the mind.

i am growing and trying to understand,...no problems if this OP is taken off course,..I love to see the twists and turns of an OP.

can also understand how annoying it can be to those who like to stay strictly to the OP......we all differ.?

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God.  He gives grace to the humble. 

1Co 3:18

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

 

[Hopefully]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

I had never read a word of scripture prior and wasn't converted by a Christian. Almighty God is capable of speaking for Himself... He doesn't require human hands to steady the ark.

Amen. I was wondering if anyone else had the same experience as me. 

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, clancy said:

Amen!!.....I believe our pride can get in the way at times,.we are a work in progress, my pride took over yesterday as did my friends, she asked me to leave, it was all over scripture, long story, nothing got resolved, I sent her a message, trying to explain, we need to sit down and air our differences ,our Spirits seem to be in conflict with each other, this is the second time this has happened,...I can’t accept what she preaches, she can’t accept what I preach, if that’s the right word.

i know God is in the situation,I just have to let it go and give it to him.

 

We both said nasty things to each other, it just came out...I couldn’t stop my tongue...thank God I have Jesus to confide in, I get real with him and poured it all out to him last night.

she poured everything out to her friend who in turn took her side...

Frustration can get the better of us at times....the tongue is the hardest thing to tame.  We just need to remind ourselves that God is in charge of another soul and after speaking the truth as we see it, to leave them in God's hands and give him time and space to work as He sees fit.

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

I disagree with you on this... as The Word came from The Holy Spirit and no where in The Word does it say The Word is not sufficient to lead one to salvation...

Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

[Justin Adams]

17 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

However you are in definite conflict with The Written Word

This is against the TOS.