IraBenYahweh Posted September 5, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 63 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/11/1975 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Akabu The Man after Gods own heart No matter whos right You got what it takes to make it either way.... I like your atitude and would like to call you a close friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted September 5, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Thanks, CJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraBenYahweh Posted September 5, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 63 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/11/1975 Share Posted September 5, 2006 thomas I dont believe in any of those 3 nore do i say i am right about what i do thnk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akabu Posted September 5, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/26/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1965 Share Posted September 5, 2006 (edited) Akabu The Man after Gods own heart No matter whos right You got what it takes to make it either way.... I like your atitude and would like to call you a close friend! I would be honored. I already consider you a close friend. Thank you for the compliment as well. Those are extreamly kind words. and they are fully returned in kind! Edited September 5, 2006 by Akabu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaisum Posted October 12, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2006 WELCOME TO THE TRUTH OF BIBLE PROPHECY- THERE ARE 2 RAPTURES "Thou Daniel; shut up this book And seal the words of this Prophecy Until the time of the end; When knowledge and travel have greatly increased." {Dan:12:4}. Two Raptures is The Hidden Prophecy in The Book of Daniel To Be Revealed in The Last Days. Two Raptures Breaks This Ancient Seal And Completes This Prophetic Puzzle! TWO RAPTURES: SYNOPSIS (1986) The First Rapture Happens BEFORE The Great Tribulation Starts. (Matt:24:40/ Rev:3:10/ Rev:4:4/ Rev:5:9) This is The True Escape that JESUS promised to all who are "accounted worthy" (Lu:21:36), who "Watch and Are Ready" (Matt:24:44), Who "Bear Fruit To Completion" (Lu:8:15),who "Abide In His Love" (Jn:15),Who Follow Him in "Spirit and Truth" (Jn:10:27),who "Love One Another" (Jn:13:34). To those who "Keep His Word With Perseverence" (Rev:3:10) The Second Rapture is The Resurrection and Happens DURING The Tribulation. This Is The Last Chance For All Who Were Left Behind, "Lukewarm Christians and Everyone Else, To Repent and Make Heaven As A Tribulation Saint and Beheaded Martyr. (1 Thes:4:16, 1 Cor:15:52, Rev:14:14). * TWO RAPTURES * IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING REVELATION AND ITS PROPHETIC CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS:....* FIRST RAPTURE * (FOR THE WORTHY BELIEVERS) REV:4 & 5.....ANTICHRIST REVEALED (REV:6:2).....ANTICHRIST CONVERTS THE VATICAN & ALL PROTESTANT CHURCHES, MORMONS TO THE CHURCH OF SATAN- MYSTERY BABYLON- SEX CHURCH (REV:17)....144,000 PROPHETS (REV:7) .....COMET-- ASTEROID IMPACT - WORMWOOD (REV:8).....WORLD WAR III (REV:9)....TWO PROPHETS/ WITNESSES (REV:11).... ANTICHRIST LEADS GLOBAL HOLOCAUST- 666....(REV:13)..... SLAUGHTER OF CHRISTIANS LASTS 1260 DAYS....40 & 2 MONTHS... 1260 DAYS..... TRUMPET SOUNDS... * SECOND RAPTURE * HAPPENS... "THE RESURRECTION".... (REV:14:14) (1 THES:4:16) (1 COR:15:52).......WRATH OF GOD UPON THE WORLD (REV:16)....SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST.... BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON...(REV 19).... MILLENNIAL REIGN...(REV:19 & 20)..... WARNINGS TO US ALL... REV:21:8...REV:22:14-18..... SATAN DEFEATED.....GOD WINS.....AMEN!!!... Many Churches including Baptist, Assemblies of God, Calvalry Temple and Pentecostal teach us that we are "accounted worthy" of Heaven and a Rapture (escape) By The "Blood of Christ" and by His Blood alone. Yet in The Gospels, JESUS tells us that our being "accounted worthy" to Escape The Tribulation depends upon our actions, by what we do and nothing at all to do with His Blood. THE FOLLOWING IS WHO WILL BE RAPTURED AND WHO WILL BE LEFT BEHIND IN JESUS OWN WORDS, NOT IN THE RANTINGS AND DOGMA OF MEN. [1] COSMIC ESCAPE " But as the Days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be: For as in the Days before the Flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the DAY that Noah entered-into the Ark; "and they did know until the Flood came and took them all away: so also will the coming of the Son of man be: "Then, two men shall be in the field: the one Taken and the other left" Two women will be grinding at the mill: the one Taken and the other left." "Watch therefore for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." MATT:24:37-42 [2] THE WARNING "Take heed to yourselves that your hearts not be weighed- down with carousing, drunkenness and the cares of this life that the DAY will come upon you unawares." For as a snare, it shall come upon all those who dwell upon the face of the whole earth." "Therefore watch and pray always, that you are "Accounted Worthy" to Escape all of these things which shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of Man." LUKE:21:34-36 [3] WORTHYNESS " He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. "And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. "And he who does not deny himself, take up his cross and follow Me is not Worthy of Me." MATT:10:37-38 [4] BOOK OF REVELATION "Because you have kept My Word to Persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world; to test those who dwell upon the Earth." (Rev:3:10) THIS IS THE FIRST RAPTURE THE RAPTURE OF THE WORTHY JESUS TAUGHT THIS EVENT (ABOVE) WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION BEGINS (Matt:24:40 = Rev:4:4). This First Rapture is for The Christians Who Are "Accounted Worthy" To ESCAPE 666, The Judgment of The Great tribulation to come.(Lu:21:36). Only these Christians will be taken To Heaven's Safety. All other Believers who follow The Dogmas of Men will be Left Behind. These worthy believers are the "Five Wise Virgins who kept oil in their lamps" and the "good and faithful servants" in The End Times Parables in The Gospel. (Matt:25). The Worthy Christians are called The Church of Philadelphia in The Book of Revelation. (Rev:3:10) God's Faithful Remnant. LETTER PROPHECY The First Rapture Event Will Be Called The Great Disappearance By The World Media. THE SECOND RAPTURE MID - TRIBULATION This is The Rapture- Event that Paul wrote of In His Letters Found In The New Testament This Is Really The Resurrection As Found In 1 THES:4:16-17, 1 COR:15:52 and REV:14:14-16. The Resurrection Happens During The Tribulation And Actually Ends A 1260 Day Slaughter Directed at Christians. For All Believers Alive and Dead Will Be Taken From The Face Of Planet Earth! "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven, with the Voice of the Archangel and the Trump of God; And the dead in Christ shall rise first." "And those who are alive and remain {survive} will be caught-away together With them to meet the Lord in the air, And so they shall always Be with The Lord." 1 Thes:4:16-17 The Resurrection (Second Rapture) Is The Last Chance For All To Repent To Overcome Satan and their fears And Earn Their Crown Of Life." REV:2:10 or REV:3:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie d Posted October 13, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,081 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/08/1967 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I would like to be in agreement with what you have said in your post Cobalt but I cannot. There is a big difference between the born again and non believer...and we are told that judgement will come to the church first and then the rest of the world. I am of the belief that those who truly have a heart for the Lord will be provided supernatural means of escaping the suffering that the non-believing world will face..I do not however believe that we will be taken from the world to heaven before the tribulation...mid-trib perhaps..but I am not even sure about then. Mark 13 The Great Tribulation 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrandnewgirl Posted January 15, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/18/1963 Share Posted January 15, 2007 Well George, I sure hope I don't jumble up your thread too much, and I cannot resist to say that -the reason why "The Left Behind" series is in the fiction department, is because it is ~fiction~. And the idea of a pre-tribulation is not really in the Bible. In fact the whole concept of the rapture and pretribulation disspensationalism concept came out in the 1800's by John Darby, who while he was laid up with broken leg(s) put more effort into this idea of 'his' regarding the pretribulation. OKAY....I know, there are many teachings about the return of Christ before all "hell" really breaks loose on earth, but so many scriptures are being pulled out of context to fit this teaching. The time is coming and I don't believe it is far off-- that all these things left to be fullfilled by the prophets will happen before our very eyes. Jesus would not want us to fear this time and I am not afraid....we were born in a very special time. to see the fullfillment of the Word. And to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am sure I will anger many followers of the pretrib theory for saying this but I am confident that our generation has key evidence -that this "Generation" will rush in the climax of the end of earth as we know it. And many of you who are waiting to be caught away before the 7 years will be in for a shock when you find yourselves still here on earth and seeing the Anti-Christ set himself up in the temple. You'll be scratching your heads wondering, why are we still here?? Let me encourage you though....YOU were born for such a time as this. You know what not to do when the end comes and do not be decieved.....even you who are the very elect of God. Do not fear and do not be decieved. Study to your yourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 Amen. Girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted January 16, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Well that's your "opinion" and you are entitled to it. However, the apostle Paul taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in 1Thessalonians long before John Darby existed. Peace CJ No opinion about it. The raprure will happen at the last trump! Anything else contradicts scripture. We will all be here until the Lord returns to do battle. Paul taught pretribulationism? Wow! I'm constantly amazed how people go to extrabiblical sources to argue against that which is biblical. rt There is nothing extra-biblical about it. Both pre- and post-tribulationalists use their understanding of scripture to arrive at their views. They are not outrageous, nor does the belief in either one have any influence on one's salvation or walk with God. There is room in Christendom for both views to live side by side and not cause people to stumble in their faithwalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrandnewgirl Posted January 16, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 43 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/18/1963 Share Posted January 16, 2007 ...."the apostle Paul taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in 1Thessalonians........" HMMMmmmmmmmm.... That is quite a statement CJ. No offense, but I don't see Paul as a Pre-trib kinda guy. In fact, what I have read in the Bible is that we will be persecuted, beaten, even killed all because of His Name. And if that is so, then I know the Lord has given me and many others the courage to go through what he already forewarned us about. I am sure many christians-- back in the times fo Paul and the disciples were not decieved into being raptured at the time of the horrible deaths they endured. Even Paul himself, knew that to die was gain. I choose to believe the same. Like I said, what will happen when the antichrist sets himself up in the temple and we are still here? (((Praise God...that's what.))) WHY? Because his Word is being fulfilled before our very eyes and the prophets would have loved so much to be alive on earth to witness all things fulfilled. These are the greatest days in History---I believe. When you hear the Last Trump....The get ready. Amen Blessings, Girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IraBenYahweh Posted January 21, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 63 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/11/1975 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Can you Please tell me the location of where Paul thought pretrib. I have done a major study in the bible and found no evidence of that. I also have talked to some historians and found that is common knollege that Pre trib beliefe has only surfaced in the past 100 or so years. If Paul did beieve that why is it that only the last 100 years worth of people figured it out. And NOt the 2000 years precdeeding it. Why did Paul not tell people of his day that he felt that way. Paul talked to many people I am sure some of them wrote NON biblical books. That does not mean the books are bad just not the bible But there is no mention that he (Paul) believed that. At least that I am aware of and why if he did did he only mention it a time or two in the bible. The last thing is the most important this is where I started it is where I will stay. To those of you who believe Pretrib Rapture. I ask you study the events that are Post rapture. KNOW them well So that JUST in case you might be wrong you will see the event and change your mind becuase there is SOLID evidence. For instance If the Temple that is to be built in 3 days gets built consider that maybe the rapture did not and is not going to happen PRE. If you see a man make a agreement (abomination of desolation) Please be where Rapture was skipped. Final thought If I am wrong and you all are right I will find my self seeing the rapture. and being in heaven. BUT If I am wright those of you who are so devout to this beliefe would naturaly assume that this wonderfull man is wonderfull and think he is not the anti christ. Hence I believe the great falling away. Please just keep your eyes open if I am wrong GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD Got it GOOOOOODDDDD If I am wright My heart goes out to you becuase I dont want you to be duped by that evil man. You could say Dont worry You are wrong so that wont happen please look at the arogance of that thought if you felt that just before you saw this. I am not here in agument but in I cant stand the thought of my brothers and sisters falling for the enemies traps. As A foot note In the last years that has been many people sent to Asia as you know Asia is very abusive on Christians. There has been many teachings that Pre-Trib is true in Asia This has created MANY MANY Asians turning away from Christ becuase of what is going on to christians over there as far as they are conserned tribulation is not a thing of the future it is NOW and Rapture is a fairy tail. If you fallow the Christian News media at all you will find many children being killed by parents for there faith. And many others I have seen so many emails of young girls killed becuase they fallow christ.13 - 17 year olds beheaded becuase they will not turn back to pagan beliefes. Please consider these thoughts Pray about them. Dont ask God to confirm what you already believe Just ask Him for the TRUTH The preceeding is from a man you cares greatly about the souls of his fellow brethern Well George, I sure hope I don't jumble up your thread too much, and I cannot resist to say that -the reason why "The Left Behind" series is in the fiction department, is because it is ~fiction~. And the idea of a pre-tribulation is not really in the Bible. In fact the whole concept of the rapture and pretribulation disspensationalism concept came out in the 1800's by John Darby, who while he was laid up with broken leg(s) put more effort into this idea of 'his' regarding the pretribulation. OKAY....I know, there are many teachings about the return of Christ before all "hell" really breaks loose on earth, but so many scriptures are being pulled out of context to fit this teaching. The time is coming and I don't believe it is far off-- that all these things left to be fullfilled by the prophets will happen before our very eyes. Jesus would not want us to fear this time and I am not afraid....we were born in a very special time. to see the fullfillment of the Word. And to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am sure I will anger many followers of the pretrib theory for saying this but I am confident that our generation has key evidence -that this "Generation" will rush in the climax of the end of earth as we know it. And many of you who are waiting to be caught away before the 7 years will be in for a shock when you find yourselves still here on earth and seeing the Anti-Christ set himself up in the temple. You'll be scratching your heads wondering, why are we still here?? Let me encourage you though....YOU were born for such a time as this. You know what not to do when the end comes and do not be decieved.....even you who are the very elect of God. Do not fear and do not be decieved. Study to your yourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 Amen. Girl Well that's your "opinion" and you are entitled to it. However, the apostle Paul taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in 1Thessalonians long before John Darby existed. I'm constantly amazed how people go to extrabiblical sources to argue against that which is biblical. Peace CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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