History Beyond Heresy

[Justin Adams]

6 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I just have to say that that is a wonderful auto-correct!

Ho

Holmium

Chemical Element

Atomic number: 67Atomic mass: 164.93 uType: Lanthanide

[teddyv]

Just now, Justin Adams said:

Ho

Holmium

Chemical Element

Atomic number: 67Atomic mass: 164.93 uType: Lanthanide

So what have you got against Holmium? Just a humble rare-earth element...

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

So what have you got against Holmium? Just a humble rare-earth element...

Nought. Hardly anyone ever notices what I write any way. Glad you did.

[Montana Marv]

On 6/22/2021 at 6:13 AM, Justin Adams said:

Did anyone actually read what I posted??

They were all incorrect if you read what Simmonds reports. The dispensational narrative is also very wrong. As Young points out, they all relied on a faulty text. He would know since he is a well regarded translator. See Young's Literal translation. He was no slouch!!

One must really study history and not just 'reported' and massaged history. Go to the sources and see what was really said.

Also the OP title is pejorative. Did we note that??

No different than your Dispensational bashing garbage in your plethora of threads.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

10 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

All straw man and ad holmium stuff. I see no quotes and I have given loads.

The more we fuss, the weaker our position is demonstrated to be. 

I do not care for eschatology, especially the false darby narratives.

Look about 10 posts up. My response to the paste job you did. Most all your quotes were debunked.  Your Pulpit commentary. however, brothers are now cousins.  Believers leaving 3 years before the stated time of the A/D.  If you not care for eschatology, Why are you here.  The nation of Israel is eschatology.  And I do not care for False History.  False timelines, False comparisons. Substitution Theology.  All of which are encompassed by Preterists.  Gentry,

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

Forgive me if this has already been posted (i haven't finished reading through the entire op yet) but could you please provide me with the statement from Polycarp in which Polycarp said John's Revelation was written during Domitian's rule? The earliest mention of Domitian and the dating of Revelation I am aware of is Irenaeus. If you have a statement from Polycarp citing Domitian then I would like to read it so can you please post the statement and its source. 

Thanks. 

 

Second, I am unaware the term "preterism" was used much in the early years so could you please provide some statement from the early church stating preterism is a heresy? I have the writings of the ECFs and have read most of them in their entirety and am familiar with most of the early councils and the matters they address, the decisions they made and the doctrines they formalized but maybe I have missed something. So would you please provide a quote clearly stating preterism is a heresy and cite the source? 

Thanks

Read what I posted; Irenaeus, Clement, Victorinus, Jerome all stated it was Caesar Domitian. Polycarp was not included. Read the sentence correctly.

Preterism is Heresy; see above; my Quote

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

That's completely correct. It is also irrelevant because John was exiled by Nero, not Domitian. John would have been well into his 90s by the time Domitian took power. Possible to have lived that long, but not likely. 

John was put in exile by Domitian, he banished people.  Nero killed them such as Peter and Paul.  Why change their MO.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

What do you do with John's statement claiming he'd experienced the tribulation? 

Revelation 1:9
"I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus."

Forget about Polycarp, Irenaeus, Clement, Victorinus, Jerome, etc. for a moment. John himself plainly states he was a partaker in the tribulation the tribulation that "is in Jesus". If we take John literally (and I know how important reading scripture literally is to you, Marv) then the tribulation was happening while John was writing. 

Read it all: tribulation, kingdom and perseverance, which are in Jesus. Matt. 24:8 - All these are the beginning of birth pains, v9. Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  So John was a partaker in persecution. We all can be.

Don't stay from the narrative. You cut it short.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

If sticking with scripture means I have to go against the ECFs then so be it; I'll stick with God's inspired word read as written. 

Then why do some of you quote those in the 4th Century and on. Why do some quote Stuart, Simmons and Gentry Who quote older texts from other writers.  Definitely not inspired are they.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Justin Adams]

5 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

No different than your Dispensational bashing garbage in your plethora of threads.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Against the TOS. A personal indictment.