Defense of the Post Trib Rapture

[Trinity]

Who will populate the Millennial Kingdom?

The unrighteous survivors of the Tribulation will be killed at the "Sheep and Goats Judgment" after the Second Coming.

This parable echoes what the apostle Paul said will happen to the unrighteous on the day of the Second Coming:

"God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you." (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10)

So when Jesus returns to the earth at the Second Coming, all of the unrighteous survivors of the Tribulation will be "taken" in judgment by being killed.

http://www.layhands.com/RaptureOfTheChurch8.htm

[Trinity]

But you were right about Trin in the aspect that he has not answered your questions or mine in proving or disproving the "Imminence" plank.

Can we be a little bit more mature here? If you read... I apologized for not seeing his Question, its not like I purposely didn't answer his question, I didn't see it... Grow up please I don't know what I did to you...

You haven't anwered all my questions either, so untill your perfect don't trash people and answer all my questions don't talk...

Luke 6:41

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

I mean we are both on the winning side why do we have to act like babies?

[JesusisGod2]

I would like to address the 144,000 and my thoughts.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, that these are where I also need clarification. It is interesting to note that all 144,000 are Jews, now are they perhaps separate from the church?

It almost appears to imply this, or is the writer saying that these are the first fruits of the Nation of Israel 12,000 from each tribe.

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[Guest Frankie boy]

Can we be a little bit more mature here? If you read... I apologized for not seeing his Question, its not like I purposely didn't answer his question, I didn't see it... Grow up please I don't know what I did to you...

You haven't anwered all my questions either, so untill your perfect don't trash people and answer all my questions don't talk...

Hi Trin,

Both of us have asked and encouraged you more than once for answers to key questions for you to prove or disprove your view. You have not responded to any.

And any questions you have posed have been given at least a response even if you don't agree.

So, my statement stands as truth and has nothing to do with specks in the eye or judgement personally upon you.

"ye shall no them by their fruit"

Then, you pose a whole other theme as "who shall populate the Millenium" without answering any previuos questions posed to you.

You said "you didn't see his post". But there was more than one. So who is in error?

Now for your Millenium question with no commentary from me........

Zech 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.

Peace,

Frankie boy

[Guest Frankie boy]

I would like to address the 144,000 and my thoughts.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, that these are where I also need clarification. It is interesting to note that all 144,000 are Jews, now are they perhaps separate from the church?

It almost appears to imply this, or is the writer saying that these are the first fruits of the Nation of Israel 12,000 from each tribe.

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Hi J is G2,

There are various interpretations of who the 144 are. Some say they are representative of the whole Church because 144 is a perfectly square number. I do not agree. Some say they are reprentative of the saved of the OT. I do not agree, for they are present the seventieth week.

They seem to be exactly what the Word says....12000 from each tribe....But, when you compare the list of the 12, you find that it does not match any previuos list in the rest of Scripture.

WHY? I just don't know and I rest in this text when I don,t know....

Deut 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

KJV

I know, this is not much help but maybe someone else can share some light here.

Frankie boy

[Trinity]

Fanky boy I'm not here most of the time and i have other people post what i want to say for me from my computer, I'm rarely here!

Give me a brake i'v wasn't really home all week i think i was here at my home in the past to weeks was um 5 late nights getting home around 11:00pm and when i was home in the day it was no more then 25 mins... so a little compassion huh? its kinda hard to do all this...

[JesusisGod2]

There are various interpretations of who the 144 are. Some say they are representative of the whole Church because 144 is a perfectly square number. I do not agree. Some say they are reprentative of the saved of the OT. I do not agree, for they are present the seventieth week.

Hi Frankie,

I dont agree with that view either, I should have clarified tha further. I meant to say the first fruits of Israel during or after the Graet Tribulation, one thing is certain is that they are Jews, praise the Lord.

I most definately believe that there were more than 144,000 saved in the Old Testament times. It has been and always will be faith in the Eternal God brings about salvation and not our works.

[Guest Frankie boy]

Fanky boy I'm not here most of the time and i have other people post what i want to say for me from my computer, I'm rarely here!

Give me a brake i'v wasn't really home all week i think i was here at my home in the past to weeks was um 5 late nights getting home around 11:00pm and when i was home in the day it was no more then 25 mins... so a little compassion huh? its kinda hard to do all this...

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Fine Trin,

I understand. I really do not want any offence. Only a good healthy and polite debate.

Frankie boy,

[Guest Frankie boy]

There are various interpretations of who the 144 are. Some say they are representative of the whole Church because 144 is a perfectly square number. I do not agree. Some say they are reprentative of the saved of the OT. I do not agree, for they are present the seventieth week.

Hi Frankie,

I dont agree with that view either, I should have clarified tha further. I meant to say the first fruits of Israel during or after the Graet Tribulation, one thing is certain is that they are Jews, praise the Lord.

I most definately believe that there were more than 144,000 saved in the Old Testament times. It has been and always will be faith in the Eternal God brings about salvation and not our works.

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Agreed, J is G,

But I still puzzle over the list....John is not in error, for it's the HS words.

Joseph, was originally divided into two half tribes of Manasses and Ephraim

But in this list, Manasses and Joseph are included and Ephraim removed.

Levi, who did not have a land inheritance, is included and Dan is excluded.

Frankie boy

[Guest Frankie boy]

Another thing I,ve noticed.............

This is the only thread active on the whole board and at my count, there are only 4 of us.

Gee, are we that boring or worse

Frankie boy