enoob57 Posted July 17, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,322 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,529 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alive said: I understand what Enoob to mean is that God's Word and promises when relied upon can be understood to be the greatest expression and realization of power as God's declarations are ultimate. The power is God. When we unite with Him and agree with Him in it--there is no greater power we can access. I don't see enoob expressing this as self-effort. yes it is weighed out by God as His work alone and those who receive it have absolutely nothing of themselves to bring to the table... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 17, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Just now, enoob57 said: yes it is weighed out by God as His work alone and those who receive it have absolutely nothing of themselves to bring to the table... And that there is as fundamental as it gets...fundamental as the word is defined irrespective of its popular use. :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted July 18, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,057 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted July 18, 2021 AND YET SO MANY OPINIONS AND BOOKS FROM MAN ------ WORKS HEBREWS 5:13 for everyone that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness --5:14-- but strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age even those who ---by reason of use---have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil PSALM 33:4 for the word of THE LORD is right and all HIS works are done in truth PSALM 28:5 because they regard not the works of THE LORD nor the operation of HIS hands HE shall destroy them and not build them up ISAIAH 2:8 their land is full of idols they worship the work of their own hands that which their fingers have made ACTS 19:19 many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver --19:20-- so --mightily-- grew the word of GOD and prevailed PROVERBS 18:21 death and life are in ---the power--- of the tongue and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof *******REVELATION 20:12 and I saw the dead small and great stand before GOD and the books were opened and another book was opened which is the book of life and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books ---according to their works******* REVELATION 2:23 and I will kill her children with death and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts and I will give unto every one of you ----according to your works---- JOHN 5:28 marvel not at this for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS voice --5:29-- and shall come forth ---they that have --done good-- unto the resurrection of life and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation PROVERBS 4:19 the way of the wicked is as darkness they know not at what they stumble PSALM 9:16 THE LORD is known by the judgement which HE executeth the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands --9:17-- the wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget GOD EPHESIANS 6:10 finally my brethren be strong in THE LORD and in ---the power of HIS might 2 PETER 1:15 moreover I will endeavor that you may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance TITUS 2:11 for the grace of GOD that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men --2:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 10:06 PM, johnthebaptist said: It's true that God forgives, but when we repent, we avoid a lot of trouble. And it is God who gives repentance, to whom he will. 2 Tim. 2:25,26 (EMTV) 25 in meekness instructing those that oppose, if God perhaps may give them repentance, to a full knowledge of the truth, 26 and they regain their senses and escape out of the snare of the devil, having been captured alive by him to do his will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 10:13 PM, enoob57 said: reliance is not self effort but as the word says relying upon God's Word to be what it says... From what source does your "reliance" come? Do you claim that you generated that "reliance" yourself, while still in an unregenerate state, or did God give you that reliance, by making you born again, so that reliance (i.e. faith in Jesus Christ) flowed naturally, from your new nature? The first would be self-effort, the latter is the grace of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 10:20 PM, Alive said: I understand what Enoob to mean is that God's Word and promises when relied upon can be understood to be the greatest expression and realization of power as God's declarations are ultimate. The key phrase here is "...when relied upon...". Do you not realise that you are making the same mistake as enoob? You are making man's reliance upon God the deciding factor in salvation, instead of God's grace. Quote The power is God. When we unite with Him and agree with Him in it--there is no greater power we can access. As above. Quote I don't see enoob expressing this as self-effort. Nevertheless, that is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) On 7/17/2021 at 10:24 PM, enoob57 said: yes it is weighed out by God as His work alone and those who receive it have absolutely nothing of themselves to bring to the table... Can an unregenerate man bring willingness to believe in Jesus Christ to the table? (N.B. This is a rhetorical question and I know the biblical answer; but, do you?) Edited July 20, 2021 by David1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, David1701 said: And it is God who gives repentance, to whom he will. 2 Tim. 2:25,26 (EMTV) 25 in meekness instructing those that oppose, if God perhaps may give them repentance, to a full knowledge of the truth, 26 and they regain their senses and escape out of the snare of the devil, having been captured alive by him to do his will. We each can choose whether or not to sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: We each can choose whether or not to sin. We were discussing repentance (a change of mind, resulting in turning from sin to God). The Bible says that this change of mind, and the resulting turn from sin to God, is a gift from God that he does not give to everyone. Are you disagreeing with the Bible, or changing the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 20, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, David1701 said: We were discussing repentance (a change of mind, resulting in turning from sin to God). The Bible says that this change of mind, and the resulting turn from sin to God, is a gift from God that he does not give to everyone. Are you disagreeing with the Bible, or changing the subject? I am pointing that you haven't completely repented if you continue to sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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