The Sabbath

[johnthebaptist]

5 hours ago, Josheb said:

And what does Sunday feel like?

At this moment, it seems like the last day of the week. Hadn't thought about it before. It just seemed like a nice conversation to have.

[Marathoner]

48 minutes ago, walla299 said:

I hear you, and its good that the Lord set you free from all that bondage. I just wanted to point out that not only does the RCC, SDAs, and other groups do this - its also rampant in "American Church-ianity" from my experience. Far too many churches, like the one I recently left, start off with wanting to get closer to the Lord only to be mislead into going off the rails and into all kinds strange things. Most of that tends toward Law and "checking the boxes." Thankfully not all churches go there.

 

Agreed, brother. I believe the Hebrew euphemism for what you're referring to is "strange fire." I don't want to stray from the topic but seeing as how insisting that observing a day is relevant to this thread, it's possible to address this within topical boundaries. 

Central to "churchianity" is the notion that one must prove their holiness, dedication, and obedience to the satisfaction of their peers. I have characterized this religious spirit as the snare of the fowler but in truth, this is but one of many avenues a man might travel to the grave. Our brother @Alive touched upon this earlier as that "form of godliness" and I perceive that religious spirit in the same way. 

This was that religion of the Pharisees, fixated upon how they appeared in the eyes of others. Hence they were fond of public displays of piety and driven to occupy the chief seat at feasts. The Lord denounced them as hypocrites (actors), declaring that tax collectors and prostitutes would enter the kingdom before them. 

The Lord knows the secrets of the heart, not man. As the prophets declared in delivering the words of the Almighty, a poor spirit and contrite heart are pleasing to God. 2 Chronicles 34 is an example of this: because Josiah wept before the Lord, God heard him and was merciful. 

Other examples abound in the Law and Prophets, David being a wonderful lesson in this regard. The Lord does indeed account the heart before Him above all else for He knows that no man is righteous... every one of us has sinned and transgressed. For those who preach outward signs as proof of obedience and holiness --- adherence to ritual and observance --- they are akin to that evil generation seeking a sign. 

No one keeps the law, not even "the ten words" which is a curious characterization of ten commandments which encompass more than ten words. Those who proclaim that they keep the Sabbath day are revealed to violate that day in more ways than one! Was that not the point of the Lord's teaching when He came in the flesh?

If you harbor a lustful thought, then you have committed adultery. 
If you despise your brother, then you are guilty of murder. 

So the Lord shows mercy upon those whom He shows mercy, forgiving the transgression of thousands. The Son of Man paid the penalty for our transgressions. He laid down His life for His friends, therefore we trust in Him. 

If the observance of a day were central to our relationship with the Son of God, then surely He would would have told us so. His apostles faithfully delivered His commandments to us... nowhere is the observance of a day mentioned. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Marathoner

[Marathoner]

21 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

At this moment, it seems like the last day of the week. Hadn't thought about it before. It just seemed like a nice conversation to have.

Your Sunday is my Friday.
Your Monday is my Saturday;
Your Tuesday is my Sunday,
And my Sunday bleeds into a portion of your Wednesday. 



Marking days is pretty silly, hehe.  

 

[Alive]

10 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Your Sunday is my Friday.
Your Monday is my Saturday;
Your Tuesday is my Sunday,
And my Sunday bleeds into a portion of your Wednesday. 



Marking days is pretty silly, hehe.  

 

I like a little levity....thank you.

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Then perhaps some thought about it should be provided, beginning with the premise we don't established sound thought, sound doctrine, and sound practice based on feelings . 

Remember: when the Nee Testament speaks of "the first day of the week" it is talking about what we in English speaking countries call "Sunday," not Monday. However, I would not espouse the days' numbers as a basis for a proper understanding of the sabbath in Christ. Christ is the sabbath and that has nothing to do with the markings of time. We worship and find our rest in the Creator, not the created. 

I'm curious if anyone can show me in the Bible where it says Saturday is the last day of the week.

[johnthebaptist]

45 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Your Sunday is my Friday.
Your Monday is my Saturday;
Your Tuesday is my Sunday,
And my Sunday bleeds into a portion of your Wednesday. 



Marking days is pretty silly, hehe.  

 

If an emergency arises on your sabbath, and you have to work, what then?

[Marathoner]

36 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

If an emergency arises on your sabbath, and you have to work, what then?

My friend, the Lord is my Sabbath. He is always with me and I am always in Him. I don't concern myself with days because the work I perform was given to me by Christ, and is blessed by Him. The needs of our residents in this homeless shelter are very important... if someone has a medical emergency, I am always close by even when I'm off of work. I'm a first responder so of course I will render aid.

If a coworker is making their rounds late at night in this dangerous neighborhood, all they have to do is call and I will accompany them. It's an honor and a privilege to serve others, John. The Lord saw fit to bless me with this honor.  

[johnthebaptist]

Just now, Marathoner said:

My friend, the Lord is my Sabbath. He is always with me and I am always in Him. I don't concern myself with days because the work I perform was given to me by Christ, and is blessed by Him. The needs of our residents in this homeless shelter are very important... if someone has a medical emergency, I am always close by even when I'm off of work. I'm a first responder so of course I will render aid.

If a coworker is making their rounds late at night in this dangerous neighborhood, all they have to do is call and I will accompany them. It's an honor and a privilege to serve others, John. The Lord saw fit to bless me with this honor.  

I was unsure of the point you were making in your previous post to me, so I thought I'd respond as I did.

[johnthebaptist]

Just now, Josheb said:

You do understand the word "Saturday" is not found in the Bible, yes? I can show you where the sabbath is seventh day of the week. Ex. 16:26 is good place to start.

Yes, I know the sabbath is the seventh day of the week, but for those who would argue the sabbath must be Saturday, or the sabbath must be Sunday, I'd like to know which day of the week if the last day of the week, according to the Bible.

[Marathoner]

4 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I was unsure of the point you were making in your previous post to me, so I thought I'd respond as I did.

I added some much-needed humor to this topic, John. We should not take ourselves so seriously, knowing that we see darkly and know only in part. Thus the apostle encourages us not to be high-minded, and not to be wise in our opinion.